KVR Audio

acousmod · Post by **acousmod** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:18 pm

Live 5: $500.00
Sonar 5: $800.00
Cubase SX: $800.00
Logic pro: $1000.00
Samplitude pro: $1100.00
Nuendo 3: $2000.00

Podium : $90 !

Distorted_Mastermind · Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:53 pm

Stupid American Pig wrote:<8th grade humor>
Acid 6 is coming and it hasnt even been released yet.. Its a bit pre-mature I would say...
</8th grade humor>

G-Ro124 · Post by **G-Ro124** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:54 pm

The things that have ALWAYS annoyed me about ACID are the following:

MIDI has very limited effects. One cannot put a volume envelope on it nor change it in other ways. THis is because effects are applied on the audio before effects/Soft Synths, which makes sense. THe way to change this would be to put effects AFTER effects/Soft Synths, but that would be bad for audio, which is ACID's main strong poitn.

Also, the load time for ACID is really absurd. It should have a quick VST scan like FL studio instead of searching for VSTs every time it loads up.

The ACID piano roll should also have some major upgrades, to make it a bit like FL Studio's.

If all those upgrades come about in v6, I will switch back to ACID. In the end, it's not THAT different than FL

Reverse Engineer · Post by **Reverse Engineer** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:21 pm

G-Ro124 wrote:The things that have ALWAYS annoyed me about ACID are the following:

1) MIDI has very limited effects. One cannot put a volume envelope on it nor change it in other ways.

2) the load time for ACID is really absurd. It should have a quick VST scan like FL studio instead of searching for VSTs every time it loads up.

1) Yes you can, read the help files. You can automate cc parameters etc too. You can also insert a bus and treat it like a send.

2) Acid only scans once, it'll only scan again if more fx/vsti are added to/removed from your plugins folder, that's a problem your end.

G-Ro124 · Post by **G-Ro124** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:27 pm

Reverse Engineer wrote:
G-Ro124 wrote:The things that have ALWAYS annoyed me about ACID are the following:

1) MIDI has very limited effects. One cannot put a volume envelope on it nor change it in other ways.

2) the load time for ACID is really absurd. It should have a quick VST scan like FL studio instead of searching for VSTs every time it loads up.
1) Yes you can, read the help files. You can automate cc parameters etc too. You can also insert a bus and treat it like a send.

2) Acid only scans once, it'll only scan again if more fx/vsti are added to/removed from your plugins folder, that's a problem your end.

I didn't know about the MIDI thing, I'll look more into that. Thanks for the heads up.

What I'm saying is that with FL STudio, you click "quick scan" and in a matter of seconds, the new VST is there. ACID takes FOREVER to scan, as it does a complete scan and verifies everything. They should just add 2 options like Image Line.

arke · Post by **arke** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:28 pm

Reverse Engineer wrote:
G-Ro124 wrote:The things that have ALWAYS annoyed me about ACID are the following:

1) MIDI has very limited effects. One cannot put a volume envelope on it nor change it in other ways.

2) the load time for ACID is really absurd. It should have a quick VST scan like FL studio instead of searching for VSTs every time it loads up.
1) Yes you can, read the help files. You can automate cc parameters etc too. You can also insert a bus and treat it like a send.

Wha....? I musta missed something - an envelope overlayed on a MIDI track? How?

Reverse Engineer · Post by **Reverse Engineer** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:57 pm

arke wrote:
Reverse Engineer wrote:
G-Ro124 wrote:The things that have ALWAYS annoyed me about ACID are the following:

1) MIDI has very limited effects. One cannot put a volume envelope on it nor change it in other ways.

2) the load time for ACID is really absurd. It should have a quick VST scan like FL studio instead of searching for VSTs every time it loads up.
1) Yes you can, read the help files. You can automate cc parameters etc too. You can also insert a bus and treat it like a send.
Wha....? I musta missed something - an envelope overlayed on a MIDI track? How?

Maybe i'm the one who's misunderstood. I didn't mean envelopes on the tracks themselves, i meant within the piano roll, in the same place you set your cc values. The only "on track" envelopes you can insert are pan and volume.

No name · Post by **No name** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:37 pm

Wow, there for a moment I ALMOST felt like deleting the other hosts I was trying out and just sticking with Acid, but 200 more dollars just to have everything every other hosts has and has had? No f**king thanks Sony.

shtunot · Post by **shtunot** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:27 pm

A very valid point no name. Though it all comes down to a individuals workflow.

You want to spend 3 months reading the sonar manual to get up and running? Or upgrade to AP6 and be at home ready to create from the word go!

It's up to each to see which features aren't in AP6 and give a "nice to have" VS. "need to have" rating. Too many need to haves mean your hard earned cash goes elsewhere.

Though if the upgrade price was only $149[which it usuaLLY IS right?] I don't see that being a deal breaker. Remember AP is a rewire host/slave.

Ed.

ravasb · Post by **ravasb** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:50 am

Shtunot writes: "You want to spend 3 months reading the sonar manual to get up and running? Or upgrade to AP6 and be at home ready to create from the word go!"

I just bought Sonar 5 and was up and running within an hour or two, though to fully appreciate its depth will take longer. If you are used to most of the DAWs out there, it is really not that complicated. Acid is intuitive with loops, but counter-intuitive with many other of its features. I am not sure a newbie would find it a lot friendlier that Sonar.

I have Acid Pro and actually like it a lot, but only for its looping capabilities, not for its included plugins, its midi capability or its audio recording. Yes I have checked out 5, but the upgrade to 6 does not look like it puts it in the same league as the big boys, even though Sony's budget probably rivals if not dwarfs theirs.

shtunot · Post by **shtunot** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:01 am

The learning curve for me was worse. I still own and use from time to time Sonar 3.11. I thought about 5 mainly due to the track freeze function...nothing else.

Each time I use Sonar I fall back on my acid workflow/shortcuts and go damn...wrong app. It's THIS way here.

Again it comes down to your needs/wants. There is always version 7 you know.

Ed.

Reverend Rhythm · Post by **Reverend Rhythm** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:03 am

Different strokes....

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:04 am

Reverse Engineer wrote:1) Yes you can, read the help files. You can automate cc parameters etc too. You can also insert a bus and treat it like a send.

Not really. You can send a MIDI/VSTi track to a single FX Buss but not to several different FX Busses at once.

Reverse Engineer · Post by **Reverse Engineer** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:11 am

John Vulich wrote:
Reverse Engineer wrote:1) Yes you can, read the help files. You can automate cc parameters etc too. You can also insert a bus and treat it like a send.
Not really. You can send a MIDI/VSTi track to a single FX Buss but not to several different FX Busses at once.

Very true.

Overall though i keep my fx to a min anyway, so it works fine for me.

As far as acid being perfect in any way is delusionary to say so (if anyone has ever said that?

.) There are a 1001 things i would love to see in acid, but the majority of them are to make life easier, not necessarily (for me) needed.

G-Ro124 · Post by **G-Ro124** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:14 am

Regardless, the key issue in ACID is to upgrade MIDI functions

I know you can change values in the piano roll... duh... but I was thinking about putting various envelopes ON the MIDI

Does v6 have a freeze function??

Sony ACID 6 is coming!