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markanini · Post by **markanini** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:56 am

I tried using a vocoder with MIDI on a vocal track for pitch correction purpuses and for an effect.
It worked well with Cubases vocoder but the sound of that vocoder is terrible. I also tried Orange vocoder and it wouldnt glide between the notes. Obviously it will never sound like anything other than an effect but I'm looking for something more transparent sounding. I couldnt get get Auto-tune to work with MIDI but it doesnt really function like a vocoder so it wouldnt fulfill my needs. Does anyone have some more experience about this?

hoffy · Post by **hoffy** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:05 am

Why would you try using Auto-tune with MIDI? I'd suggest reading the manual (if you even have one); it's got a graphical editor where you draw in the correct notes!!

Also, you can autotune things manually in things like Cubase or Pro Tools. Or you could try Melodyne- i prefer it over auto-tune, it's easier to use and has heaps more applications.

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:09 am

On that purpose, the only thing i can suggest by my side would a mixing work between your voice take and your vocodized track quite behind (i assume that you've made an "audio to midi" kind of work for your vocoder before ) in wish you may try some discreet pitch adjudments

But i don't think it will really satisfy you

As just said, you'd better try a more appropriate application

funkadil · Post by **funkadil** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:10 am

It depends on what synth you want to use the vocoder with if you want a particular sound.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:14 am

I have an idea what you want to do, and it's called either TC helicon (there are several models) or an old-ish steinberg plugin called voicemachine.

I'm not sure why voicemachine isn't developed any further as it's such a useful plugin. (it's heavily outdated nowadays)

markanini · Post by **markanini** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:18 am

hoffy wrote:Why would you try using Auto-tune with MIDI? I'd suggest reading the manual (if you even have one); it's got a graphical editor where you draw in the correct notes!!

Also, you can autotune things manually in things like Cubase or Pro Tools. Or you could try Melodyne- i prefer it over auto-tune, it's easier to use and has heaps more applications.

Well it seems like a waste of time when I already transcribed the melody and made a MIDI track of the intended notes. Especially since I already know that I don't like the way auto tune sounds in any mode.
That why I'm looking for a vocoder that's as transparent as possible instead.

funkadil · Post by **funkadil** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:21 am

What do you mean by transparent? Real-sounding?

markanini · Post by **markanini** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:26 am

funkadil wrote:What do you mean by transparent? Real-sounding?

Well perhaps transparent wasnt the best word to use here. Something better than Orange vcoder for my purpouses atlest.

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:39 am

Idea !

- Is it possible then to pick some waveform up from inside this voice take and choose them as carrier waves ?
- would it make sense if the vocoder allow it ?

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:09 am

ErrrH..
MAybe this is a little off-topic,
but does anyone know a good free vocoder plugin ?
The ones i tried were cpu hogs or not very good...
I know Evm vocoder, voctopus, RZvocoder....
At firt ear, it sounded like a vocoder, but the sound then wasn't very nice....

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:20 am

sinkmusic wrote:ErrrH..
MAybe this is a little off-topic,
but does anyone know a good free vocoder plugin ?
The ones i tried were cpu hogs or not very good...
I know Evm vocoder, voctopus, RZvocoder....
At firt ear, it sounded like a vocoder, but the sound then wasn't very nice....

http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php?mode=re ... =3&rpp=100

Kvr database about free vocoders

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:42 am

Kvr database about free vocoders

yes thnx
i already have tried this, dled them, but not yet very convinced by any...

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:59 pm

You could give Vokator a try. With its 1024 band FFT it can be very "transparent".
Might be a bit overwhelming in its functionality though, and has a far from intuitive user interface.

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:38 pm

meister eder wrote: You could give Vokator a try. With its 1024 band FFT it can be very "transparent".
Might be a bit overwhelming in its functionality though, and has a far from intuitive user interface.

(- Is it possible then to pick some waveform up from inside this voice take and choose them as carrier waves ?
- would it make sense if the vocoder allow it ? )

...can VOCATOR do something like this ?

Music Engineer · Post by **Music Engineer** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:47 pm

Krakatau wrote:
meister eder wrote: You could give Vokator a try. With its 1024 band FFT it can be very "transparent".
Might be a bit overwhelming in its functionality though, and has a far from intuitive user interface.

(- Is it possible then to pick some waveform up from inside this voice take and choose them as carrier waves ?
- would it make sense if the vocoder allow it ? )

...can VOCATOR do something like this ?

of course you could pick the wavefrom in a sample editor, load it into a sampler (as looped waveform) and then use the sampler output as carrier. but i don't think that this would make much sense - the waveform of the voice already contains the vocal formants of the particular vocal where the waveform is taken from. whereas in vocoding we usually want some "neutral" broadband signal as carrier (neutral in the sense, that it doesn't have it's own strong formants)

Vocoder as "autotuner"