Question about stereo output busses in Philharmonik

[idragosani]

This may be specific to Sonar, but thought I'd ask here first.

I am experimenting with isolating stuff going to a send versus stuff coming directly from an instrument part. When I set the output for a part in MP to something other than 1+2, like to 3+4, I notice that if I turn off the send fx going to 1+2, I get no sound at all. Is this correct? Do I need to send the output to somewhere in my DAW? Like I said, I am using Sonar (Home Studio).

[beergeek]

Isolate the built-in CSR reverb
Not sure if anyone's noticed this yet, but the built-in send reverb (based on IK's upcoming CSR) returns on the first stereo output (1+2) from Philharmonik. This means that if you configure all your instruments to any output except 1+2, then the only sound coming out from 1+2 will be the send reverb.

Once you've had enough of soloing that output and just listening the beautiful lush reverb, you'll probably start to think of all the cool things you can do with this in a mix. It's basically a dedicated reverb return, and you can have a lot more control over the reverb sound than just the tail length. For example, you could eq the reverb and boost or cut the high end to give the hall different acoustics. More high end will make it sound like there are more flat, hard surfaces; and less high end will make it sound like there are more irregular soft objects like curtains or people. Another thing you can do is compress it reverb and bring up the level for a gorgeous washed out new age sound. Let me tell you - it's especially awesome with the female "Ah" choirs. Enigma eat your heart out!

This is from this thread

Chcek it out...good stuff!

[idragosani]

Isolate the built-in CSR reverb
Not sure if anyone's noticed this yet, but the built-in send reverb (based on IK's upcoming CSR) returns on the first stereo output (1+2) from Philharmonik. This means that if you configure all your instruments to any output except 1+2, then the only sound coming out from 1+2 will be the send reverb.

Once you've had enough of soloing that output and just listening the beautiful lush reverb, you'll probably start to think of all the cool things you can do with this in a mix. It's basically a dedicated reverb return, and you can have a lot more control over the reverb sound than just the tail length. For example, you could eq the reverb and boost or cut the high end to give the hall different acoustics. More high end will make it sound like there are more flat, hard surfaces; and less high end will make it sound like there are more irregular soft objects like curtains or people. Another thing you can do is compress it reverb and bring up the level for a gorgeous washed out new age sound. Let me tell you - it's especially awesome with the female "Ah" choirs. Enigma eat your heart out!

This is from this thread

Chcek it out...good stuff!

Yes, this is the stuff I am trying to reproduce, but it's not quite working the way I am expecting... I think the problem is with Sonar (after doing more research this morning), I need to look into some additional configuration for the DXi plugin to turn on all outputs.

[beergeek]

This may be specific to Sonar, but thought I'd ask here first.

I am experimenting with isolating stuff going to a send versus stuff coming directly from an instrument part. When I set the output for a part in MP to something other than 1+2, like to 3+4, I notice that if I turn off the send fx going to 1+2, I get no sound at all. Is this correct? Do I need to send the output to somewhere in my DAW? Like I said, I am using Sonar (Home Studio).

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to do or maybe I'm just dense

I'm pretty new to this stuff but it seems to me that if the send effects are the only thing going to 1+2 and you turn them off, the nothing is going to 1+2...hence no sound (coming from 1+2).

But I think you're probably right about Sonar...I haven't figured out how to get Tracktion to recognize that some plugs (like Miro) have multi outs but it's pretty simple in Pro Tools...Tracktion only seems to read the wave device's outs...

Good Luck!

--Rob

[beergeek]

You got me pretty curious about this and I gfigured out how to do it in Tracktion

BUT...I found this which may be of some help to you....or maybe not...

"A multi-port DXi allows you the option of using a different audio track for every output that the DXi has. This allows you to use different plug-in effects for each sound (or in some cases, group of sounds) that a DXi produces. For example, if a DXi can produce 16 sounds at the same time, and has 4 outputs, you can send any of the 16 sounds out through any of 4 different outputs, giving you a choice of 4 different plug-in configurations for that DXi. You would use 4 different audio tracks: one for each output. If a DXi can produce 8 sounds at the same time, and has 8 outputs, you could use 8 audio tracks and 8 plug-in configurations. If you need more plug-in configurations or just more sounds, you can insert more copies of the same DXi, using new audio tracks for all of the new copy's outputs. You can also send all the MIDI tracks out the same output and audio track if you don't need separate plug-ins for each sound, or just want to use the DXi's internal effects.

The Insert DXi Synth Options dialog gives you the option of automatically creating a separate audio track for each output that the DXi has, or creating just one audio track for Output 1 of that particular DXi. Each new copy (also called an instance) of a DXi is considered to be a separate instrument, and appears in a separate row in the Synth Rack view, with a number after its name representing which copy it is. "

[idragosani]

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to do or maybe I'm just dense

I'm pretty new to this stuff but it seems to me that if the send effects are the only thing going to 1+2 and you turn them off, the nothing is going to 1+2...hence no sound (coming from 1+2).

But I think you're probably right about Sonar...I haven't figured out how to get Tracktion to recognize that some plugs (like Miro) have multi outs but it's pretty simple in Pro Tools...Tracktion only seems to read the wave device's outs...
--Rob

I just confirmed it was a Sonar issue (yay for being able to go home for lunch and play!). When inserting a DXi plugin, you need to designate that all of the audio outputs will be used, rather than just the first. Sonar then creates a track for each output available (in this case, 16 tracks), so then you can do muting, soloing, etc, as Kim was talking about in the Tips and Tricks thread.

I am not familiar with Traktion so not sure what it can provide from a plugin.

[idragosani]

You got me pretty curious about this and I gfigured out how to do it in Tracktion

BUT...I found this which may be of some help to you....or maybe not...

"A multi-port DXi allows you the option of using a different audio track for every output that the DXi has. This allows you to use different plug-in effects for each sound (or in some cases, group of sounds) that a DXi produces. For example, if a DXi can produce 16 sounds at the same time, and has 4 outputs, you can send any of the 16 sounds out through any of 4 different outputs, giving you a choice of 4 different plug-in configurations for that DXi. You would use 4 different audio tracks: one for each output. If a DXi can produce 8 sounds at the same time, and has 8 outputs, you could use 8 audio tracks and 8 plug-in configurations. If you need more plug-in configurations or just more sounds, you can insert more copies of the same DXi, using new audio tracks for all of the new copy's outputs. You can also send all the MIDI tracks out the same output and audio track if you don't need separate plug-ins for each sound, or just want to use the DXi's internal effects.

The Insert DXi Synth Options dialog gives you the option of automatically creating a separate audio track for each output that the DXi has, or creating just one audio track for Output 1 of that particular DXi. Each new copy (also called an instance) of a DXi is considered to be a separate instrument, and appears in a separate row in the Synth Rack view, with a number after its name representing which copy it is. "

Yep, that's exactly what I played with during lunch.