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daGuru · Post by **daGuru** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:23 am

Plexi Head wrote:
daGuru wrote:I got ears, mate.... I've listened to and played guitar for 20 yrs now, from Sabbath to Tool... I know wot I likes and I don't like GTR So far
You know nothing! Waves GTR kills any other amp sim by f**king miles. You must not know how to acheive a decent tone in the first place. As for comparing GTR to Amplitude 1, well how embarrising to admit that you like Amplitude better.

Have to snigger about the Guitar Rig 2 review in SOS and basically how the USB controller is basically crapolla. Back to the drawing board at NI

...speaking of "Tool"

LOL

How could a fellow Aussie be such a dick

hehe

Prove me wrong, mate... Chuck up some metal demos of you going off on GTR and let us all judge

Melodioso · Post by **Melodioso** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:13 am

championrabbit wrote:I'm convinced that the reason it's not more popular is because:

A. It doesn't have a flashy GUI and

B. It requires some understanding of guitar amps to create a decent sound.

C. It requires an iLok to demo the product. If you don't already own one, who's going to buy this key just to demo the product?

It is priced in the same range as GR2 and AT2, and both have a "no hassle" demo available (well, not sure for AT2 but there was a demo for AT1, so should be one for AT2). I would never buy a sim amp without being able to demo it first, or if I had to buy an iLok just for that...

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:18 am

Just out of interest even if someone did get an iLock to demo it would it sound the same? - doesnt it need the hardware component to sound right or does the hardware contribute nothing to the sound?

Melodioso · Post by **Melodioso** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:33 am

aMUSEd wrote:Just out of interest even if someone did get an iLock to demo it would it sound the same? - doesnt it need the hardware component to sound right or does the hardware contribute nothing to the sound?

or asked in another way, how much is the di box included in GTR just about marketing???

I never tried this di box myself, and have no idea how good it really is. But from the price, I guess there is no comparison with a Radial JDV...

If you have active pick-ups (such as EMG '81) or a decent sound card with high-z input, it won't make much difference to the sound. What I mean is, if you didn't like an amp sim just by plugging your guitar, using a di box won't make you change your mind.

jello · Post by **jello** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:12 am

I had a chance to demo GTR a few weeks back at my local music shop and was very impressed with their amp models.

Now, everybody has different needs and wants when it comes to electric guitar sounds, but for my money this is the best sounding package out there right now. I have been playing and recording guitar for over 25 years and have owned dozens of amps. I also purchased Amplitube 1 when it came out, and I still like it, but it doesn't compare to the sounds we were getting from GTR.... but like I said, everybody has different needs so use what sounds best for you.

>jello

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:59 am

I reckon that I could make a decent recording with any of the commercial ampsims; none of them are complete rubbish.

If I had a choice though I'd pick GTR; it really does sound like an amp, or at least as close as damnit once it's sitting in a mix.

Problem is that I don't need (or want) the hardware aspect...

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:15 am

Another massive Tool fanboy here

Although lately, Oceansize have taken the crown.

daGuru · Post by **daGuru** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:23 am

"massive Tool", lucky u

or should that be lucky g/f...... LOL

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:37 pm

To be fair though, what is a good tone? C'mon, I'd really like to know what makes a good tone and what makes a bad tone. Plexi Head? Wanna fill me in on that one?

Because as far as I know, a good tone is one that works for the song in question. If stabbing holes in a speaker cone and running my guitar through that gave me the tone for the song in question, I'd use it!

The reason I wont go near Waves is coz its Waves. Most over hyped company and product range ever - in my opinion.

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:43 pm

Chibs' Bath Toy wrote:If stabbing holes in a speaker cone and running my guitar through that gave me the tone for the song in question, I'd use it!

This I agree with. The whole 'good tone as objective concept' is bullshit; most people obsessed with 'good tone' are talking about 70s rock, or muso wankery like Gary Moore or Vai or Jeff Beck or whatever...meh.

The reason I wont go near Waves is coz its Waves. Most over hyped company and product range ever - in my opinion.

That's cutting off your nose to spite your face; some Waves stuff is not good, some it ok and some is full-on great. Use your ears rather than your prejudice.

spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:44 pm

Chibs' Bath Toy wrote:Another massive Tool fanboy here Although lately, Oceansize have taken the crown.

My friend is the biggest Oceansize fan ever, nice to know someone else actually knows about them. They have such a good core of talent and some rather nice tunes, the drummer is godly.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:55 pm

championrabbit wrote: This I agree with. The whole 'good tone as objective concept' is bullshit; most people obsessed with 'good tone' are talking about 70s rock, or muso wankery like Gary Moore or Vai or Jeff Beck or whatever...meh.

Meh indeed

That's cutting off your nose to spite your face; some Waves stuff is not good, some it ok and some is full-on great. Use your ears rather than your prejudice.

To some extent yes. But... I don't see why I should bother with Waves when I can use my Kjearhus EQ's, SIR for reverb (more flexible than Waves imo), and the Buzzroom compressors.

I'm a big fan of freeware, and there really is some amazing stuff out there, such as Buzzroom which I mentioned.

spuddle wrote: My friend is the biggest Oceansize fan ever, nice to know someone else actually knows about them. They have such a good core of talent and some rather nice tunes, the drummer is godly.

Discovered them about a month or two ago now. They've quickly become my favourite band of the moment.

spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:02 pm

Good on ya. My mate discovered them when they came and performed at his University about 2 years ago or something. Since then he follows them around everywhere. He helped them pack up their gear last time he said heh.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:07 pm

hehe. They sound like cool guys. I'm gonna try and see 'em next time they're near London or Birmingham.

Did you find the http://www.oceansizeboard.co.uk/ website?

Plexi Head · Post by **Plexi Head** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:26 am

daGuru wrote:
Plexi Head wrote:
daGuru wrote:I got ears, mate.... I've listened to and played guitar for 20 yrs now, from Sabbath to Tool... I know wot I likes and I don't like GTR So far
You know nothing! Waves GTR kills any other amp sim by f**king miles. You must not know how to acheive a decent tone in the first place. As for comparing GTR to Amplitude 1, well how embarrising to admit that you like Amplitude better.

Have to snigger about the Guitar Rig 2 review in SOS and basically how the USB controller is basically crapolla. Back to the drawing board at NI
...speaking of "Tool" LOL

How could a fellow Aussie be such a dick hehe

Prove me wrong, mate... Chuck up some metal demos of you going off on GTR and let us all judge

I did that months back. The link is up somewhere here. If I have to, I will post some more.

Waves GTR 2.0 already!!!!