Yamaha to consolidate Steinbergs product range

[egbert]

I expect he could open any kind of new company, although I expect he retains financial incentives against doing so.

Where does it say that in the terms you posted?

Parading him through the streets naked? I would expect he has his price.

So I think we might agree that Yamaha do not have complete discretion to direct Steinberg and its directors and employees. Does Charlie have sayso over who works for Steinberg in Hamburg? Or does Mr Hamamoto from Japan get to put his nephew in there? I'm guessing not and so I think Steinberg probably maintains some control over its own operations and working conditions. All this goes for M-Audio who are owned by Digidesign who are owned by Avid who are partially owned by Intel.

[meister eder]

I would welcome a computer that had an OS dedicated to making music. I would love to see us all use something other than windows for our daw. Something like might be in the future.

That's what the idiea of BeOS is/was. Not future, but reality for quite some years.

Btw. not all of us use Windows, there still is somthing called OSX. And with Core Audio that OS is, well, not an OS fully dedicated to making music, but integrating music making applications at a low level of the system.

And then, me personally wouldn't want to miss the possibility to e.g. open Photoshop on the same system for designing some nice filters for the music application Metasynth, or open my web browser to download some audio files, or ...

[egbert]

Btw. not all of us use Windows, there still is somthing called OSX. And with Core Audio that OS is, well, not an OS fully dedicated to making music, but integrating music making applications at a low level of the system.

And Windows has DirectX/DirectMusic/WDM audio - OS level music. I have yet to see the slightest indication that either of these offer real advantages over ASIO which works pretty damn well on my RME card for example.

The idea of a closed system that runs just music might sound appealing but in reality it has quite a few problems:

To begin, it won't be cost competitive with current computers, it won't run the set of plugins and apps that a current PC/Mac will run and than, in a couple of years, a commodity machine will run rings around it and Voxengo and the rest will have released a bunch of plugins that will whip the pants off what your walled garden music system offers.

The commodity computer market has the enormous advantages of low cost and continuous rapid evolution.

[HanafiH]

I expect he could open any kind of new company, although I expect he retains financial incentives against doing so.

Where does it say that in the terms you posted?

It doesn't say it anywhere. Directors are employees with special powers and regulation, but employees nonetheless. What the documents I linked to state is that all the common stock is owned by Yamaha. Whatever is owned by Steinberg is the property of Yamaha in the event of a Steinberg company dissolution.

Parading him through the streets naked? I would expect he has his price.

So I think we might agree that Yamaha do not have complete discretion to direct Steinberg and its directors and employees. Does Charlie have sayso over who works for Steinberg in Hamburg? Or does Mr Hamamoto from Japan get to put his nephew in there? I'm guessing not and so I think Steinberg probably maintains some control over its own operations and working conditions. All this goes for M-Audio who are owned by Digidesign who are owned by Avid who are partially owned by Intel.

No employer in the western world has the right to demand its employees walk through the streets naked, and the suggestion otherwise is both banal and fatuous. If Charlie is a director of the company he has day to day control of the company within the terms of governance set by his shareholder, he will have and can have no rights of permanence in that role, claim on the company assets or property, under any company laws I am aware of in the EU. If he has a debentured shareholding or options, he has rights of recompense in the event of the dissolution of the company. My understanding of the Pinnacle terms, is that any such debentured holding was converted into Pinnacle shares and/or cash at the time of acquisition. As sole stockholders Yamaha have complete and unencumbered (used that word twice today) rights to hire and fire directors as it's (Yamaha's) directors see fit, and to order the disposal of any company assets likewise.

Charlie's a director, not an owner. Does Mr Hamamoto get to put his nephew in there? Damn right he does, he's the owner, he does what he wants within the company law. Tough luck M-Audio.

[meister eder]

I have yet to see the slightest indication that either of these offer real advantages over ASIO which works pretty damn well on my RME card for example.

Don't know how ASIO has evolved lately (or maybe has always been like on Windows), but can multiple applications have access to the soundcard simultaneously?
(With ASIO on OS9 it was like only one application at a time could access the soundcard).

[egbert]

I have yet to see the slightest indication that either of these offer real advantages over ASIO which works pretty damn well on my RME card for example.

Don't know how ASIO has evolved lately (or maybe has always been like on Windows), but can multiple applications have access to the soundcard simultaneously?
(With ASIO on OS9 it was like only one application at a time could access the soundcard).

OK that is one advantage. You can do this with MME too BTW

[dusted william]

That's what the idiea of BeOS is/was. Not future, but reality for quite some years.

yes, I know of BeOS,

it isn't really around much anymore is it?

my asrX had an OS that was 4 mbs small.

dw

[meister eder]

yes, I know of BeOS,

it isn't really around much anymore is it?

http://www.beosonline.com/?setlang=en

It is still around, but maybe the attention it got from musicians is an indication of how much a OS dedicated to music (or digital media) gets accepted or not.
Otherwise maybe just a question of support and/or marketing.

my asrX had an OS that was 4 mbs small.

And my Atari ST had an OS that was just a few kilobytes....

[moroe]

any statement from steinberg on this thread ?

[woc53]

I haven't even seen a mention of it in any of the Steinberg forums.

[moroe]

I haven't even seen a mention of it in any of the Steinberg forums.

maybe someone should post a thread there

moroe