IK CSR Reverb - few days to go :)

[OMU]

ok, I'm out of here.

[Squids]

On the other side I understand Squids. Somehow he has to atrct people to buy his company's products. But what our mates here (Kingston and bmaniac) are trying to say are things that come to the common sense and denying them is a bit supect. I know you hope to sell many copies of this plugin and I sincerely wish you to succeed that, if it is indeed a good sounding plugin, but to bring arguments about a six year old plugin like T-racks when everybody knows how it sounds and why people are not using it anymore chosing other plugins, that recreate more faithful analog units (see UAD which has a convincing Fairchild emulation) or creating new and more competitive mastering plugins (like Voxego or example), over it, doesn't sound good to me.
And the no demo version problem, I can nly supose that will have a negative impact to the potential customers.
I have a Syncrosoft key and I could demo it and many fellows around here do have one too, but most of them don't and IMHO all this dongle thing is not good and this problem has been over discussed. But is your choice.
Let us hope that in a few years the dongles will be history.
Good luck.

Hmmm. To clarify, I am not the one who makes this plug-in. I own Sonic Reality and www.esoundz.com who SELLS CSR as a retail store. But, I didn't make this plug. SR has a tight relationship with IK and I am often the "unofficial" spokesman (which I have to be careful what I say sometimes). But, I also like to talk about the products I love.

I think the dongle issue with the demos is isolating and that is unfortunate. There are ways around it though such as what I suggested earlier. Or who knows? Maybe there will be a dongle-less demo! I am not the "official" word on that stuff. Just trying to offer my perspective is all.

Anyway, I don't know what you guys are talking about but TRackS consistently selling all over the world for 6 years and it selling as strong or stronger today really does say that it is a popular choice at the very least. That's undeniable facts there, not opinions.

[Squids]

Man, you cought me with that.
T-racks is a mastering software, right?

Well, more specifically it is a rack of a parametric EQ, multiband limiter, compressor and soft-clipper. The compressor is actually modeled after the Fairchild (but offers more functionality as the original Fairchild 670 is really a limiter). The other stuff is modeled after other tube and class-A analog gear.

So, the plug-in version isn't just "mastering software" really. It is used for mixing as well. Why not?

Lots of pros in the industry love it and use it. It is a popular piece and that is undeniable. CSR is new so it is yet to be proven. Although for what it represents from the high end studio in software I have a feeling it will be a popular choice as well. Let's see!

I'm out too btw. Should have been a while ago. This isn't really a very enjoyable conversation and I have some productive things I could be doing right now (or get ready to watch the Super Bowl perhaps at this point).

Adios amigos!

[beergeek]

Well, say what you want...if you guys like pulling Dave's chain because he likes to sell the stuff, have at it. If you like to stomp on IK for their PR on release dates, have at it.

BUT...have any of you played with Philharmonik? If you can say that Miroslav Philharmonik isn't a quality plug-in, then I don't know what would meet your expectation.

And guess what? Philharmonik uses pieces of Amplitube, CSR, T-RacKs and Sampletank...

I fail to see how something that uses so much of the other products technology could sound so good if the other stuff was shit.

Dave is the most accessible "insider" I've seen on KVR...so he likes to hawk his stuff...he should... IMHO, he has something to be proud of...

So, you don't like the plugs? Don't buy 'em...but no need to bash something you've never really heard.

Skepticism is healthy...Constructive criticism is healthy...but being argumentative because you can...well, is just being an ass....

/puts flame retardent suit on

[Kingston]

I have to say I respect you defending the products you are somewhat financially tied to.

It just makes a really tedious and unenjoyble read. We know you have talked to celebrities. We also know you're good at marketing speak (which makes this thread all the more tedious). You should know better how people tend to talk when assaulted with marketing in person: they're really nice to you. Yeah, even stevie wonder and prince, or craig anderton. Even nicer when they get a freebie.



Some of us just aren't jaded by that.

[beergeek]

I have to say I respect you defending the products you are somewhat financially tied to.

It just makes a really tedious and unenjoyble read. We know you have talked to celebrities. We also know you're good at marketing speak (which makes this thread all the more tedious). You should know better how people tend to talk when assaulted with marketing in person: they're really nice to you. Yeah, even stevie wonder and prince, or craig anderton. Even nicer when they get a freebie.



Some of us just aren't jaded by that.

I doubt Stevie OR Prince care about getting freebie plug-ins enough to promote something...

However, I do

So Dave, what's my cut???

[Squids]

Reading stuff like that from jaded people is not only tedious but depressing. To suggest that there is no genuine verbal exchanges between artists, writers and developers and that it is only for the "freebies" (when a lot of these artists make more money than me, Craig Anderton and all of you put together) is a joke. Musicians are passionate about this stuff. We like to talk about what we use and why.

I offer my perspective which some people appreciate and some don't. Of course, it need not be tedious to read as it is your choice whose posts you read or not. I don't force anyone. It's funny because I get criticized for talking marketing/sales but then when I am just shooting the shit I get criticized for being "unprofessional". You can't please everyone! But, this is how I am and enough people enjoy talking with me to make it mutually enjoyable. Since this exchange is not enjoyable for either of us I think we should probably spare ourselves from it. I prefer to talk with people who aren't jaded, skeptical and paranoid. It's too much work trying to have a reasonable discussion when unreasonable accusations are being made and somehow seem to be in need of defense (when really they don't).

[Kingston]

no doubt,

but you can get people to agree with pretty much anything with good marketing speak. Even celebrities. Squids is like any promoter when it comes to that.

[snooky]

But, luckily to my ears and to thousands of people it sounds f**king GREAT! So, again, by the fact that people are still buying it today is a bit more substance to back up my point. It is not out-dated.

I think we have quite opposite opinions on what luck or quality means here.

You measure it by sheer number of sold units. That's McDonalds and Behringer, and that's great in KVR. The mid gaussian curve rules here. But I also think KVR is a testament of the DAW explosion and decline in general engineering quality in music.

I don't get it Kingston, you have exactly the same sentiments as me regarding this, yet when I pounced on ABL and SURGE saying it's not all that/"crap music on kvr because of gearlust" etc you said I was an idiot (well, you and others) ...you finally beginning to see the light perhaps?

[Squids]

no doubt,

but you can get people to agree with pretty much anything with good marketing speak. Even celebrities. Squids is like any promoter when it comes to that.

Thanks but I can't take credit for "brainwashing" the thousands of musicians, famous artists, producers and engineers that use IK or SR products. I have to give them credit for knowing what they like for their music. It'd be insulting to all of them to suggest otherwise.

[Kingston]

Communication between development and customers is very important indeed. There are shining brilliant examples here in KVR about that.

I hate to get so personal about this, but you pretty much always just come across as the salesman one wants to get rid off. The yes man.

If it only was honest developer to user communication.. You're the middle man here. You also seem to exploit the fact you have insider information: it always comes out with a sales pitch.

[JeffSanders]

Until there's a demo available, everyone is going to feel there's a chance this plug's entire substance is based on hype.
Simple as that. Not because it's IK or anything else. Talk is cheap. I hope it winds up ruling all other soft verbs. I'd buy it.

[snooky]

until the next one comes out..in 2 weeks..then you lot would by that as well

[Kingston]

I don't get it Kingston, you have exactly the same sentiments as me regarding this, yet when I pounced on ABL and SURGE saying it's not all that/"crap music on kvr because of gearlust" etc you said I was an idiot (well, you and others) ...you finally beginning to see the light perhaps?

Well with ABL you were simply barking at the wrong tree (IMO). That thing IS awesome and innovative. And in that thread it was mostly users simply liking the sound and presentation. I've never used surge and don't know what that is.

I don't automatically like something. And I especially hate being spoon fed marketing statistics or other peoples opinions. As if it mattered how many people use something, or who likes what.

Only sound matters.

[Squids]

But, luckily to my ears and to thousands of people it sounds f**king GREAT! So, again, by the fact that people are still buying it today is a bit more substance to back up my point. It is not out-dated.

I think we have quite opposite opinions on what luck or quality means here.

You measure it by sheer number of sold units. That's McDonalds and Behringer, and that's great in KVR. The mid gaussian curve rules here. But I also think KVR is a testament of the DAW explosion and decline in general engineering quality in music.

I don't get it Kingston, you have exactly the same sentiments as me regarding this, yet when I pounced on ABL and SURGE saying it's not all that/"crap music on kvr because of gearlust" etc you said I was an idiot (well, you and others) ...you finally beginning to see the light perhaps?

Birds of a feather? Looks like you have a new friend. Although, if he called you an idiot in another thread then you may have some other obstacles to overcome.

Who ARE you people?

Just kidding. It's all good. We're just talking about soft-gear anyway let's not forget. Tools for making music for your enjoyment or for your living or both. CSR and TRackS are great tools whether you read that as marketing-speak or find out for yourself.

Let's get back on topic. I am just as guilty of going off it. But, since that's not going anywhere productive how about we get back to CSR? Or no?