SAMPLITUDE RULES (DAW Summing)

[jens]

Here are two sound examples of a bassline played in cubase and one played in Samplitude without mixing....

Just VSTi bass + reverb....

and it has a slightly different sound

Samplitude sounds cleaner in the upper and lower end, the cubase version seems more muddy.

While the differnce is marginal, you`ll hear it in a complete mix very clearly....

http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.wav

http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.WAV

priceless...

[jupiter8]

SONAR on the other hand doesn't drop center db for panning law, but raises side.

This is just hilarious!!!! So SONAR gives you 0 dB center and say + 3dB fully left/right. Cubase gives you - 3 dB center and 0 dB fully left/right.

Raise Cubase level 3 dB and the difference is????
NONE of course. Better read up on your math skills.

[bleebsen]

This homer xray seems to be a significant argument in this discussion.

My Cubase has three testicles, by the way!! <YOURHOST> has only one and a half and the scrotum is all wrinkly.

SCNR

[stefancrs]

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[bleebsen]

Thanks for your interest in Google Video.

Currently, the playback feature of Google Video isn't available in your country.

We hope to make this feature available more widely in the future, and we really appreciate your patience.

NOW I've got the feeling I'm missing something...

[arke]

bleebsen, fireprox.com

[jupiter8]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

Well i figured that's what he wanted me to do.
Only difference is i back up my insults with some scientific facts.He backs up his insults with......
errrr,more insults.

[hifiboom]

or listen to this demo

in Cubase there seems to be some kind of extra processing when using VSt effects.... I can hear the reverb wobble at the first part.
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.wav

the dynamics in Samplitude stay constant and are just mixed in first part. Finally when you can only hear the tail of the reverb, it also sounds more structured....
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.WAV

Yep, that's the difference.

This one needs to be saved for posterity.

sorry guys, you are right, the cubase bassline had 10 bpm too low tempo.

I missed the sync to host button. Samplitude was 130 and Cubase 120 bpm, everything else was the exact same....

now they should be 100% equal....
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.wav
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.WAV

but stil the reverb tail still fits better and has more presence in Samplitude. Although it is the exact same preset loaded in both reverb plug-ins.

You guys all just do summing test, but maybe it has nothing to do with the summing....

If audio production was just summing, I would use Musikmaker or other kiddie software.

If you professional mix songs u are in heavy use of sound plug-ins and if the quality gets more and more ill with every plug-in, the hole mix will not sound as prefered and is shit...

you are right everybody can make a good song in every sequencer, but hey I love to drive my BMW instead of a VW.

[stefancrs]

Are you just trolling?
You're playing different acid lines in the two different wavs ffs

[hifiboom]

Are you just trolling?
You're playing different acid lines in the two different wavs ffs

no I am not "trolling". this is the exact midifile combined with bassline VSTi and reverb plug with exactly same FXB saved and loaded...

there are differences....

should different midi data result in a different sound in different hosts?
NO

Samplitiude sounds more tight with VSTi tahn Cubase.

[stefancrs]

Are you just trolling?
You're playing different acid lines in the two different wavs ffs

no I am not "trolling". this is the exact midifile combined with bassline VSTi and reverb plug with exactly same FXB saved and loaded...

there are differences....

should different midi data result in a different sound in different hosts?
NO

Ok, but they are playing different notes. Listen to the first note in both wav files. In one wav the first note glides from a higher note, and in the other from a lower note. You can't use this as a base for a comparison, you need to play the same stuff in both hosts. Which you obviously aren't.

edit: Try using a wav file in the host instead of a vsti. Use the same wav in both hosts. And make sure all levels are set equally (not just their readouts, but the actual levels).

[hifiboom]

I understand what you mean(and you are right), but if I render a VSTi to wav ( to have the exact same sound file), I cannot present the difference that different hosts produce when using VSTi....

My normal way of producing music is using mostly ONLY VSTi ( samplers, synths and FX) and the final result in Samplitude sounds more tight and clean than in Cubase....

As you can hear there are differences.... if 1+1=2 in a digital world there should be no differences in a DAW.

[jens]

Are you just trolling?

no way - he's too for that...

[jens]

As you can hear there are differences.... if 1+1=2 in a digital world there should be no differences in a DAW.

yes, we hear the obvious differences...

[Kingston]

I'll update my pseudo code in the vein of this thread.

Code: Select all

float a=1,b=1,c;
c=a+b;

//KVR - forever questioning the undeniable truth of 1+1=2

What's so goddamn difficult to understand about that?

I've got one word for the non-believers: placebo