KVR Audio

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:27 pm

http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.wav
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.WAV

okay i updated that shitty test, it was a cubase bug with the first midi notes played in an arrangment when rendered to wav.....

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hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:37 pm

okay that may not be the best example for that sound differences I mean:

listen to these two exact same synth notes, Cubase does sound slightly other, more compressed to me.
If you don`t hear the diferrences, I cannot help you any more. As if there would be some kind of phasing in it...... but I didn`t use a phaser effect on it...
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.wav
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.WAV

So Cubase is a hole shit of bug software.....

I don`t like to make their job....

With this comparison I switch to Samplitude.... its not as easy to use as Cubase but it has the better sound, believe it or not.... talk about summing and mathematical shit.....

arke · Post by **arke** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:38 pm

I should change my sig to say "hifiboom" instead of "G-Ro124".

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:42 pm

hifiboom wrote:I understand what you mean(and you are right), but if I render a VSTi to wav ( to have the exact same sound file), I cannot present the difference that different hosts produce when using VSTi....

I don't think there's any hosts out there that mixes VSTi's differently than they mix audio tracks. So yes, using the same wav as an audio track in two different hosts would let you hear the difference between two different hosts.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:42 pm

arke wrote:I should change my sig to say "hifiboom" instead of "G-Ro124".

hey you little sun of a whore. Its your sig. change to every shit you have in your small head...

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:43 pm

hifiboom wrote:With this comparison I switch to Samplitude.... its not as easy to use as Cubase but it has the better sound, believe it or not.... talk about summing and mathematical shit.....

Switch all you want, but if you switch for that reason, you're a fool.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:45 pm

The Cubase audio file has higher amplitude than the Samplitude one. Of course they are going to sound slightly different. And what about them not starting at the same time?

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:48 pm

stefancrs wrote:
hifiboom wrote:I understand what you mean(and you are right), but if I render a VSTi to wav ( to have the exact same sound file), I cannot present the difference that different hosts produce when using VSTi....
I don't think there's any hosts out there that mixes VSTi's differently than they mix audio tracks. So yes, using the same wav as an audio track in two different hosts would let you hear the difference between two different hosts.

man, I don`t mix wav files in a host!

I mix VSTi and VST-fx....

Maybe you are right that there are no differences mixing wav files.....

But we are professionals and I do not buy Cubase to just mix loops!! ( then I could use any other 40$ software )

With VSTi synths etc. there are drastical sound differnces... and nearly every mix with VSTi in Cubase sounds little ill (phasing effects, digital harsh sound)

Ohters do confirm this, too.

And as we can discuss this in a normal way, there are other idiots (like arke) that cannot talk on a normal level, because they are just kids that never know what hardware should sound like...

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:49 pm

hifiboom wrote:okay that may not be the best example for that sound differences I mean:

listen to these two exact same synth notes, Cubase does sound slightly other, more compressed to me.
If you don`t hear the diferrences, I cannot help you any more. As if there would be some kind of phasing in it...... but I didn`t use a phaser effect on it...
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.wav
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.WAV

The actual synth sound is different in the two wavs. Not the host's fault. You need to know how to set up identical input data before you start comparing the output from different hosts.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:50 pm

jupiter8 wrote:The Cubase audio file has higher amplitude than the Samplitude one. Of course they are going to sound slightly different. And what about them not starting at the same time?

if you are in sound buisness you should know that amplitude has no influence on sound character....

(Does Britney Spears sound better if I listen to it loudly?)

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:51 pm

jupiter8 wrote:The Cubase audio file has higher amplitude than the Samplitude one. Of course they are going to sound slightly different. And what about them not starting at the same time?

It seems the oscillators in his synth are free running and at different phases as well. Or something like that, I don't want to put any efforts into investigating it really

If you remove the time and amplitude difference in the two wavs it very obvious that the actual synth sound is different in the two wavs.

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:54 pm

hifiboom wrote:
stefancrs wrote:
hifiboom wrote:I understand what you mean(and you are right), but if I render a VSTi to wav ( to have the exact same sound file), I cannot present the difference that different hosts produce when using VSTi....
I don't think there's any hosts out there that mixes VSTi's differently than they mix audio tracks. So yes, using the same wav as an audio track in two different hosts would let you hear the difference between two different hosts.
man, I don`t mix wav files in a host!

I mix VSTi and VST-fx....

Maybe you are right that there are no differences mixing wav files.....

But we are professionals and I do not buy Cubase to just mix loops!! ( then I could use any other 40$ software ).

What I am saying though, as it seems you missed my point, is that hosts mixes wavs and VSTi's utilizing the same algorithms (if it even can be called an algorithm. mixing that is.), and hence, using a static input is way more reliable when doing a test of the hosts output, instead of using an unreliable VSTi.

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:55 pm

hifiboom wrote:
jupiter8 wrote:The Cubase audio file has higher amplitude than the Samplitude one. Of course they are going to sound slightly different. And what about them not starting at the same time?
if you are in sound buisness you should know that amplitude has no influence on sound character....

(Does Britney Spears sound better if I listen to it loudly?)

God how clueless could you be - you must have spent half a lifetime studying audio.

Ever wondered why a stereo would have a "loudness" button? Google Fletcher Munson and learn something you doofus.

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:56 pm

hifiboom wrote:
jupiter8 wrote:The Cubase audio file has higher amplitude than the Samplitude one. Of course they are going to sound slightly different. And what about them not starting at the same time?
if you are in sound buisness you should know that amplitude has no influence on sound character....

(Does Britney Spears sound better if I listen to it loudly?)

Even a 0.1dB difference usually makes a difference. Not in perceived volume though, but the one outputting the same sound 0.1dB louder usually sounds "brighter" or "more open" or has "more air" or "more clarity" or "more definition" or whatever. While the one 0.1dB lower sounds "duller" etc. Don't let your ears fool you.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:58 pm

hifiboom wrote:
jupiter8 wrote:The Cubase audio file has higher amplitude than the Samplitude one. Of course they are going to sound slightly different. And what about them not starting at the same time?
if you are in sound buisness you should know that amplitude has no influence on sound character....

(Does Britney Spears sound better if I listen to it loudly?)

Since when??? If you do A/B testing you must always match levels. If YOU are in the sound buisness you should know that amplitude HAS influence on sound character. If A/B tested people generally choose the louder one as sounding better.

But you did know that as you are in the sound buisness, right?

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