SAMPLITUDE RULES (DAW Summing)

[stefancrs]

Feel free to quote me on my awesome "Don't let your ears fool you" statement. But I'll claim trademark if you try to make money out of it!

[arke]

you are too funnay

man, I don`t mix wav files in a host!

I mix VSTi and VST-fx....

Erm ... well sorry to burst your bubble, but Guess what VSTi outputs? wav data! Guess what VST-fx input and output? wav data! The same stuff thats in a wav file. Exactly the same.

Maybe you are right that there are no differences mixing wav files.....

But we are professionals and I do not buy Cubase to just mix loops!! ( then I could use any other 40$ software )

With VSTi synths etc. there are drastical sound differnces... and nearly every mix with VSTi in Cubase sounds little ill (phasing effects, digital harsh sound)

Ohters do confirm this, too.

Professional? O RLY? I don't believe that.

Here's a good test - Use a third host, not cubase or samplitude, and export a wav file of a VSTi playing. Then, import that wav into both Cubase and Samplitude, with the same reverb on the same preset, and export them to another wav file. Then, take an audio editor, and normalize them to the same value. I will guarantee you that they will sound the same (and I hate Cubase just as much as the next person).

And as we can discuss this in a normal way, there are other idiots (like arke) that cannot talk on a normal level, because they are just kids that never know what hardware should sound like...

What hardware should sound like? What HARDWARE should sound like? If you're looking for hardware sounds then go back to using hardware step sequencers, hardware synths, and hardware 8-track tape recorders. In the meanwhile, we'll be making sounds with our software that is just as warm as hardware, sounds much more clear, and is easier to set up too.

hey you little sun of a whore. Its your sig. change to every shit you have in your small head...

Oh yeah, and before you start insulting, make sure you understand the language well enogh to make a meaningful insult. You're welcome to insult me in german, if you wish, I understand it just fine. Otherwise, you're just making yourself seem excessively stupid. Oh wait, you are.

[nuffink]

Bring on the laughing priest. This one doesn't have a tube amp.

[Kingston]

okay that may not be the best example for that sound differences I mean:

listen to these two exact same synth notes, Cubase does sound slightly other, more compressed to me.
If you don`t hear the diferrences, I cannot help you any more. As if there would be some kind of phasing in it...... but I didn`t use a phaser effect on it...
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.wav
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.WAV

That example is nearly useless. The files aren't identical. First of all the Cubase file is 0.5dB louder. Second af all, the samplitube file right channel is 3dB (!!!) louder. (RMS measurements)

When you compensate for the differences the files *would* be identical, but probably there are differences in how your midi is set up.

Look, it's just useless fighting about this. You're just simply plain wrong.

I'm not joking here. your head does the phasing.

[Kingston]

if you are in sound buisness you should know that amplitude has no influence on sound character....

Again. You're just plain wrong. Go sit in the corner for a while! Now you're just making an ass of yourself.

[Kingston]

Bring on the laughing priest. This one doesn't have a tube amp.

HAHHAhhahhahhahha!

Infact, worthy of a sig. Sue me.

[Kingston]

With VSTi synths etc. there are drastical sound differnces... and nearly every mix with VSTi in Cubase sounds little ill (phasing effects, digital harsh sound)

Others do confirm this, too.

Others? meaning you and the whole mental institution ward? Sorry, but it's quite valid to question your sanity now.

[Hink]

okay that may not be the best example for that sound differences I mean:

listen to these two exact same synth notes, Cubase does sound slightly other, more compressed to me.
If you don`t hear the diferrences, I cannot help you any more. As if there would be some kind of phasing in it...... but I didn`t use a phaser effect on it...
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.wav
http://home.arcor.de/rd50info_site/soun ... reverb.WAV

That example is nearly useless. The files aren't identical. First of all the Cubase file is 0.5dB louder. Second af all, the samplitube file right channel is 3dB (!!!) louder. (RMS measurements)

When you compensate for the differences the files *would* be identical, but probably there are differences in how your midi is set up.

Look, it's just useless fighting about this. You're just simply plain wrong.

I'm not joking here. your head does the phasing.

we now that you mention it...if he is listening to his example through monitors and they were on their sides (all too common mistake) then his head would kinda be doing the phasing everytime he moved his head....

[Kingston]

if he is listening to his example through monitors and they were on their sides (all too common mistake) then his head would kinda be doing the phasing everytime he moved his head....

That too. I was referring to the mental/placebo aspect.

[jupiter8]

That he needed like 3 tries to get it almost right did'nt exactly inspire confidence in his alleged professionalism either.
(Damn, those were hard words.Hope i got it right.)

[Colonel Flashback]

should different midi data result in a different sound in different hosts?
NO

lots of quote of the day material though...

[Hink]

if he is listening to his example through monitors and they were on their sides (all too common mistake) then his head would kinda be doing the phasing everytime he moved his head....

That too. I was referring to the mental/placebo aspect.

isn't odd people argue sound quality and dot mention what they are listening through? I mean these arguments are funny because everybody could be right when they say it sounds different...maybe it does If you pan your samples to A/B them and one side of your set-up has more reflections, that will color the sound different. If you're using headphones a lot of things can come into play...not the least of it being the fact we all have one dominant ear can cause the perception to differ.

I tend to see these arguments fairly useless because it is about perception, and perhaps that person has precieved things different. Whether it be a placebo effect or be due to physical and enviromental issues the listener is percieving a difference. I don't know what one hears anymore than anyone knows what I hear. Perceiving something and hearing something are not the same...

[Kingston]

I mean these arguments are funny because everybody could be right when they say it sounds different...

That would be the case if we were testing, say, different types of filters.

But with the subject of this thread we can have solid scientific proof and there's just no room to wiggle away with personal preferences or any such variables. Which makes these threads all the more weird.

[ludwig]

I make tarnce, so I couldn't be arsed about witch host sounds best
(but i did however read the whole tread, because i'm verry borred today...)

[jens]

we are professionals

and I do not buy Cubase to just mix loops!! ( then I could use any other 40$ software )

hm... - maybe there are people who mix audio-files they recorded on their own...

Didn't come to your professional mind, did it?

b.t.w.: I for one use a 40€ sequencer - but then again I know what I'm doing so there you have it...