Linux EXT?

[fake]

There is a lot of good commercial software for linux and I would also be happy to pay for a good product.
I have also spent money in supporting some developers who do it for free.

Thanks jorgen for the info. It was puzzeling me how you would do the vst bit as steinberg want to be paid a licence fee to re-distribute it. Receptor and the studio to go package have to pay that.
It seems from reading about it that some dev's think they can ignore that fact and re distribute the vstsdk with their product.

Sorry a bit slow on the typing, but jack it the important bit!

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[glurgle]

Sorry a bit slow on the typing, but jack it the important bit!

anyways, last I heard the output was going to be open source. I'm guessing this means that the linux equivalent of ASIO.dll will be open source. Jorgen mentioned using OSS, but I don't he's explicitly gave JACK or ALSA the thumbs down.

Either way, that "awesome linux community" should have a jack output method in a jiffy.

[fake]

The thing is, OSS on Linux is dead, kaput and is no longer supported. The asio eqivalent is now Jack and Alsa!
Jack is a very powerful app and must be supported for any new prog to take off otherwise nothing will integrate with it.
DSSI seems to becoming standard and very popular too.

A conundrum...as I would realy like ext to go that way.

Ok, i'll get me coat now...

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[MartynM]

There's Maya, Ansys, Coldfusion, Oracle and whatnot for linux, but you're not getting those for "a small amount"

Ah, well I am rather new to Linux, I didn't know about those.

I've no doubt that Plush2 was being satirical either, but I've heard people saying similar things and being sincere, many times.

I guess I just want a new paradigm to work with, I come from an art/graphics background and have been exploring the likes of Inkscape, Gimp2 and Scribus. I've found them pretty inpirational in a lot of ways, mainly just because using something a little different tends to break established habits. There's nothing I can't find a way of achieving in them, and a few things I couldn't have done in Photoshop/ Illustrator/Quark combination. I've been enjoying the experience far more than I thought I would.

It all makes me wonder why the audio community hasn't really pushed hard into Linux, its such an obvious one really, but musicians tend to be really fond of clinging to what they know, software that emulates 25 year old hardware etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm a guitar player who loves his trusty old Strat.

All I know is, i'm going to try and engage with Linux audio and see where it takes me.

[telengard]

Commercial software on linux??? hehe

I really don't get why that's such a problem, people are obviously prepared to pay for good software, how can anyone create anything worthwhile if they're not getting something out of it?

The stigma that everything on Linux has to be open source and free is not just a virtue, it's also it's main problem. A LOT of people really want a new OS at the moment, Windows Vista (if it ever comes out) looks like it'll be horrible, and Apple a lot of peeps can't really afford to buy into. A survey recently revealed the main reason for people not really wanting to switch to Linux simply being "no Photoshop" (GIMP doesn't do CMYK). A lot of other apps work better than microsoft equivalents, especially Firefox.

What is wrong with a developer sticking his neck out and charging a small ammount of money for his hard work? I think that this is a pioneering move that Jorgen is making, the die hard open source community might get a few ruffled feathers about it, but screw them, that attitude is precisely why we don't have a proper third option in the OS department.

I'd much rather pay a man to write good software that actually works, than get something shakey for nothing.

Just wanted to chime in agreement. I just bought a license pretty much in anticipation of the Linux version. And I can't wait. I have no problem paying for good software, regardless of platform.

~telengard

[telengard]

Hello,

I spent one week to test my VST plugins in Studio To Go, and I was agreeably surprised to note that much of them functions perfectly: it is as simple as double-clicking on a DLL file so that the plugin opens as a standalone version which can be connected as we want in Jack.
Chris Cannam who distributes this version of Linux (Debian Knoppix) has integrated the support of the VST Windows in Jack via DSSI - Wine, and the VSTi can be directly used in Rosegarden.

I remember to have read that XT2 will support only the LADSPA format of plugins and will not be compatible with Jack. Is this true?
If so, it would be a pity really because otherwise it would be possible to profit directly from most of the VST plugins which already exist, and the compatibility with Jack is one of the more interesting part of audio in Linux…
The possibility of connecting XT2 in Jack would at least make it possible to use all these plugins externally if we cannot open them inside.

Actually it is possible to run the VST version of EXT 1.3 in Studio To Go and to insert the Windows VST inside ! (but it runs slowly)

Any idea ?

IIRC there is an open source portion planned for XT2 to which Jack support could be added. This would allow what you mentioned (which I'm also using and it works quite well). I am using xfst though by itself.

~telengard

[jorgen]

IIRC there is an open source portion planned for XT2 to which Jack support could be added. This would allow what you mentioned (which I'm also using and it works quite well). I am using xfst though by itself.

whats this?

cheers
jorgen

[funkadil]

Just rumors.

[LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY]

But what about the hardware drivers man!! How many audio interfaces have drivers that will work with linux?

[MartynM]

But what about the hardware drivers man!! How many audio interfaces have drivers that will work with linux?

I'm using a Terratec, which is working fine with a 64 sample buffer. I'm pretty sure (not certain) MAudio will work, sure the Hammerfall works because I have a purpose built front end for it as part of the ccrma distro. My evolution uc33 turns up as an interface without a hitch.

There should be a list somewhere, i'll see if i can find one.

[acousmod]

What I have tried :
Emagic Audiowerk 8 doesn't work.
Audiotrack Maya 7.1 PCI and 7.1 EX USB don't work.
Creative Extigy only in stereo with OSS (six channels with ALSA but sound completely distorted).
Realtek AC97 only in stereo (impossible to get access to the other outputs).
RME Multiface PCI : perfect...

[MartynM]

This http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ seems to be one of the first places to check for driver compatability, it doesn't look like it's been updated for a while though, so if something is not listed I don't think it's asolutely certain that it won't work.

[pwdm]

Linux works with edirol UA20

[telengard]

IIRC there is an open source portion planned for XT2 to which Jack support could be added. This would allow what you mentioned (which I'm also using and it works quite well). I am using xfst though by itself.

whats this?

cheers
jorgen

Hehe, if you are asking *me* this then I must be mis-informed.

I thought I had read a post of someone asking if there would be Jack support and that there would be a way for someone to add support if they liked via a library that was going to be open sourced as a part of XT2.

Or were you asking what xfst is?
If so, it's sorta like these other vst on linux solutions although it is the only one I could get working. It's a small app that you compile using wine and it's jack aware. You launch it with a vst and it just loads. I use qjackctrl to wire up a host and the vst and off I go. You do have to download the VST SDK for one header though to build it.

Thanks for sending out the license BTW, I spent a while playing w/ XT last night and had a question (still relevant to Linux so it's on topic ).

I save all of my projects on a shared drive and I noticed that recording audio didn't work very well saving to a network drive. I verified this by copying the entire project over to my local disk then trying again. All the weird noises and corrupt audio playback went away.

This is an NFS/Samba server and on Linux my home directory is mounted off of it so I would probably be doing the same thing w/ the Linux version. This happened just a few seconds into recording. If I have enough RAM can I set up XT to record to ram initially and not flush to disk until I'm done recording? I'm only recording very small parts. I also couldn't figure out how to change your audio pool directory after it had been set.

Also happy to say that XT takes up a LOT less memory w/ the same VTSs loaded than Live5. If only I could get Battery to play nice w/ my TD-20.

Looking good so far!

~telengard

[jorgen]

I thought I had read a post of someone asking if there would be Jack support and that there would be a way for someone to add support if they liked via a library that was going to be open sourced as a part of XT2.

oh, yes you can and if you know network coding, you could add support for using it on multiple pc's. Or does jack do that already?

jorgen