best host for laying vocals

[jens]

say I open Energy XT inside FL, and in Energy XT I open Reaktor plus effects. Can I easily freeze the whole chain (vsti plus effects) it so that it doesn't use cpu? that way would be great to reduce cpu inside FL...

yes, sure - no problem

another thing: do you know if Energy XT handles sysex messages so as to use them with my hardware synth? if not, do you know if XT2 will have them?

I'm sorry but there are no sysex-events in eXT - only CC - dunno about XT2 but my guess is 'no' - for best make a [FR] (feature-request) in the eXT-forum...

thanks and sorry for all these questions.

no problem - you're welcome...

[jens]

I'm still much quicker in cubase, and well, when the muse strikes you gotta move fast!

I hear you, Gary - however eXT's loop-recording is just one of the many things about it (regarding sequencing) that are damned cool - it's really worth getting used to it - once your done with that sequencing/arranging is mostly a ride downhill...

[rockstar_not]

eXT loop record and edit does look cool. I've just started getting into loop recording with Tracktion, but Tracktion stacks the individual takes in a list. I don't know if it will stack them visually like Jens' example shows. That would be handy.

Jens, how about a screen shot where it shows the overall comp - can you visually see that - where you choose 4 bars from take 2, 2 from take 5, etc.?

-Scott

[jens]

Jens, how about a screen shot where it shows the overall comp - can you visually see that - where you choose 4 bars from take 2, 2 from take 5, etc.?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean...

[rockstar_not]

Jens, how about a screen shot where it shows the overall comp - can you visually see that - where you choose 4 bars from take 2, 2 from take 5, etc.?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean...

Well, I don't know eXT, so I assume that the shot you showed us was several takes of one particular song section. With that screen layout, I think it would be cool to visually see which bits from which takes are comped into the final version. The screen you showed looks like a nice pallette from which to 'paint' the final comped track.

-Scott

[headquest]

In answer to the thread title... SOnar 5 PE is pretty good for amny vocal recording, because it contains the ROland Variphrase technology, V-Vocal. V-Vocal is pretty much as good as it gets for pitch correction, etc, and will save you hundreds by not needing Waves or AutoTune.

[Wicker Man]

I'm not sure why FL Studio users would use another programme to do audio recording...FLS handles audio fine.

There's a tutorial here but I don't know if it only for registered users... http://www.flstudio.com/documents/143.html

The first part covers most of what is being discussed here including creating a separate audio file for each take then goes on to talk about some midi stuff.

[bduffy]

wow, loop recording in xt looks pretty cool. I haven't gotten to learn much about the sequencing aspects of xt yet; I did get it set up a few days ago. i'm still much quicker in cubase, and well, when the muse strikes you gotta move fast!

I agree! Well done. At first, I was like, "Bah! Cubase does that!" but I notice that each sub-track has panning/level control, plus event clips have that too; meaning three layers of control. Crazy. I would really like it if Cubase did this, they don't make as much out of clips as some other hosts. Mind you, I love the way you can mute/slip sections and it masks/unmasks the neighbouring clip. allowing you to combine takes - does XT do that?

Speaking of Cubase: did you know Cubase records up to 10 minutes in the background? This has revolutionized how I record voice overs now, a real life-saver. Just thought I'd point that out. EnergyXT's looking pretty cool.

[Hink]

I think a key feature to recording vox is to loop mutiple takes...any host without it (I have no clue about cubase) is lacking imo...

[jens]

Jens, how about a screen shot where it shows the overall comp - can you visually see that - where you choose 4 bars from take 2, 2 from take 5, etc.?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean...

Well, I don't know eXT, so I assume that the shot you showed us was several takes of one particular song section. With that screen layout, I think it would be cool to visually see which bits from which takes are comped into the final version. The screen you showed looks like a nice pallette from which to 'paint' the final comped track.

-Scott

yeah, you agot it completely right, but what you are asking for is hard to show in a sceenshot - there are several strategies possible and also a mixture of them:

- you could create an additional channel, cut out the best parts of the various takes drag them to the new channel and create/edit your composite-take there (by soloing this channel)

- you could cut out the best parts and mute all other events

- you could use the channel with the best take and cut out its weakest parts and replace them with better performances of the other takes

in addition to this there are also other great things you can achieve easily:

- pan e.g. single words from a verse differently

- pan two good takes hard left and right for a rich sound (or even more good takes with different panning settings)

- cut out strong sibilants and reduce their gain
(which gives better results than using a de-esser)

and other things like that - but whatever you do: in the sequencer it's still the same single part which can be ghost-copied (so that all above described changes automatically affect all ghosts - that means: feel free to arrange right away and then finetune later on without needing to re-arrannge the whole bloody song afterwarda - hello fellow Tracktioneers ), muted, stretched/shrunken (the latter however curretly only affects the relative position of indicidual events), etc.


sounds good? - then let's wait for XT2!

[Hink]

In answer to the thread title... SOnar 5 PE is pretty good for amny vocal recording, because it contains the ROland Variphrase technology, V-Vocal. V-Vocal is pretty much as good as it gets for pitch correction, etc, and will save you hundreds by not needing Waves or AutoTune.

why does someone need bth Sonar 5 and Audition 2.0?...

I have both as well lol

[jens]

I agree! Well done. At first, I was like, "Bah! Cubase does that!" but I notice that each sub-track has panning/level control, plus event clips have that too; meaning three layers of control. Crazy.

actually it's four for gain - I didn't show the sample-editor...

[jens]

Speaking of Cubase: did you know Cubase records up to 10 minutes in the background? This has revolutionized how I record voice overs now, a real life-saver.

WOW - that sounds great (I often jam guitar-soli and as soon as I hit record afterwards I feel my performance isn't as good as before )

[bduffy]

Speaking of Cubase: did you know Cubase records up to 10 minutes in the background? This has revolutionized how I record voice overs now, a real life-saver.

WOW - that sounds great (I often jam guitar-soli and as soon as I hit record afterwards I feel my performance isn't as good as before )

Yeah, it's nice that that occured to someone there! I sure wish I had this at home, but that is an SX 3 feature, sadly. Time to upgrade!

[headquest]

why does someone need bth Sonar 5 and Audition 2.0?...

I have both as well lol

For me personally, I have Sonar 5 almost only for educational purposes, although I do use the SOnitus effects and Perfect Space in Audition too.

For my own personal use I actually go with
Audition 2 + Ableton Live 5 + Reason 3. Powerful combination