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nuisance sonore · Post by **nuisance sonore** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:07 pm

Best reverb thread? If there's one thing I learned here, it's that "best" is an irrelevant term to be used with "reverb".

And a numbered list? According to who and what exactly.

Reverb is highly subjective, according not only to taste, but also to material it's to be put on and the result that is desired. My personal favorite for creating small and intimate atmosphere for a narrative is Masterverb, but my go to verb for percussion when I want something modern sounding is GlassVerb; but sometime they don't cut it for what I want to do, so I ususally go for convolution (SIR) when that happens, but before I go convolution I would also try Anwida free reverb or some others. Some swear by Ambience while I have yet to use it on anything, I find it too metalic sounding for my taste. Other will use ArtAcoustic on everything, but I could not get the small and intimate ambience I was looking for for narrative work using it, I found it very difficult to tweak when parameters gets small; maybe more a reflection on my own ability to tweak the plugin, I don't own it so was reluctant to spend a lot of time learning it, but does it really matters if I can get what I want with easily another?

Get the meaning yet? There is no "best" reverb, only reverb appropriate to the task at hand according to your own personal taste.

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:10 pm

Midiworks wrote:If you don't know how/why and where/when to use them,
than thats your problem you negative rabbit.

OK.

Let's assume that I have no idea at all about reverb. I don't know anything about reverb at all. Nothing. What's reverb? No idea. Is it a fish? A type of cat? I've no idea what reverb is.

Tell me about reverb.

Start by telling me why I should be concerned with a plug-in's ability to deliver a 'huge reverb'.

I need this 'huge reverb' according to you, so tell me where I would use this 'huge reverb'.

If you weren't interested in sharing your opinions you wouldn't have started this thread. So tell me; where do you use these 'huge reverbs' that you consider so important?

MacQ · Post by **MacQ** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:17 pm

Well ...

Speaking from my experience, when using a reverb as an effect, I've used reverbs with very long decay times ... as long as 8-10 seconds. This isn't something you'd put on a vocal, but on a stab or other percussive element, sure. I've used these sorts of settings on sustained notes, but never on a "moving" passage. As long as you automate that reverb return, you can get some great "swell" effects.

In pop music, ambient music, and especially for film scores or music for large stage productions, this is a common technique.

~MacQ

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:19 pm

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:19 pm

I use huge reverb very much too.
why do you find in nearly every reverb unit a reverb algo and a room algo, because some people need huge arenas.
For post production its also very important....

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:22 pm

I was asking MW.

Now he's just going to agree with what you said...

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:33 pm

championrabbit wrote:Do you even record music?!

How often are you using these 'huge reverbs' that you consider to be important?

I don't think you have even the beginning of a clue what you're talking about.

Prove me wrong. Tell us about where you use these 'huge reverbs'...

Hey "shit for brains", have you ever heard of Ambient music? I use huge reverbs ALL THE TIME. Maybe you should pull that stupid head of yours out of your ass and listen to some more diverse styles of music.

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:38 pm

Those large-ish reverbs can be nice in dubby stuff also, all of a sudden on a snare or other sharp sound a huge verb & then play with the timing & the tail, maybe bang the verb through a delay, or a delay through a verb.
Bounce the reverberation down to a wav & edit in in various ways - it ends up being an instrument in its own right.

riley4reason · Post by **riley4reason** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:46 pm

I'm not surprised that Magnus's Ambience is ranked so high, that is a incredible sounding reverb, I use it allot. I played with it a while and immediately sent money to get rid of the nag screen.

How about the Groupbuy QuickQuack? Raypace is already a good deal, I bet allot of poeple would join in.

Riley

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:03 pm

John Vulich wrote: Hey "shit for brains", have you ever heard of Ambient music?

Yeah. It's an increasingly obscure form of 'music' mostly practiced by bedroom 'recordists' and sold too...hardly anybody.

Suggesting that reverbs should be designed with ambient music in mind is like suggesting that scissors should be designed with lobsters in mind...

AVBunyan · Post by **AVBunyan** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:06 pm

quikquak wrote:There's a new GUI on the way (no it's not orange (shame)) and it might be hot swappable between two.
More soon... and all updates will be free to registered users, of course!

Cheers,
Dave Hoskins
www.quikquak.com

Hi Dave - I thought your reverb had nice sounds for the price and had good controls.

Now regarding the look - I was in advertising for 10 years during the 80's - An ad has to capture your eye and real quick keep it there or the ad may not work. That was the way it worked and it still works this way with products.

You have to admit - your potential buyer sees your product first and it leaves an impression that the sound may have to help overcome but the sound experience may start off wrong, unfortunately.

Put on a crisp and clean look and your sales will go up - the GUI will leave a great first impression that will help sell the sound.

I know real muscians value the sound first and foermost but it is a crowded market - you need all the advantages you can to get someone to try your labour of love.

I wish you well - God bless

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:11 pm

let me get some popcorn......

Left Headphone · Post by **Left Headphone** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:11 pm

How about the Groupbuy QuickQuack? Raypace is already a good deal, I bet allot of poeple would join in.

I would...

intel · Post by **intel** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:24 pm

championrabbit wrote:Yeah. It's an increasingly obscure form of 'music' mostly practiced by bedroom 'recordists' and sold too...hardly anybody.

Suggesting that reverbs should be designed with ambient music in mind is like suggesting that scissors should be designed with lobsters in mind...

you've really no idea what you're on about. around these parts it would be in your best interest to stop pursuing this line of discussion.

just a head's up for an obvious n00b.

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:26 pm

championrabbit wrote:Yeah. It's an increasingly obscure form of 'music' mostly practiced by bedroom 'recordists' and sold too...hardly anybody.

There are plenty of Ambient artists like Steve Roach, Robert Rich and Jeff Grienke that hardly qualify as "bedroom recordists". And yeah, they probably don't sell that many CDs. So what? It's still a valid genre of music despite your biases. Like I said, you really need to explore other forms of music before you go around shooting your mouth off and making a fool of yourself.

championrabbit wrote:Suggesting that reverbs should be designed with ambient music in mind is like suggesting that scissors should be designed with lobsters in mind...

I'm not sure what the problem is with designing reverbs to accommodate many different styles of music. I mean, how much harder is it to code a tail that last for 20 seconds instead of just 10? Most reverbs seem to be capable of very long decay times anyway, so I'm not sure what the argument is really about... other than the fact that it seems like you enjoy being difficult.

Best reverbs !?