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spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:29 pm

If you take the time to learn Logic, understand layers in the environment, mapped instruments, etc. (a good two days work)
you get control over the most powerful host by far.. in my opinion

people who critique Logic either don't have a brain, have no manual

or are just simply f**king pussies

..
or a combination of any of the above

I

Logic!

beej · Post by **beej** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:48 pm

Me too. I've loved it since 1993 and version 1.5 (and loved its parents before that!), and my relationship has only grown stronger with time. I don't even take it for granted. Maybe I love Logic more than girls!

(But the plain Apple splash screen is so dull for such a beautiful program. I liked the old Emagic barcode splash with the logos and programmers names etc...)

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:53 pm

spaceman wrote:If you take the time to learn Logic, understand layers in the environment, mapped instruments, etc. (a good two days work)
you get control over the most powerful host by far.. in my opinion
people who critique Logic either don't have a brain, have no manual or are just simply f**king pussies ..
or a combination of any of the above

... or arent dumb enough to own a mac !!!

spaceman wrote:I Logic!

coolcool ... not enough love around ...

slainte

rob

paradiddle · Post by **paradiddle** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:56 pm

Big logic fan over here also. Now Apple needs to sell this software so that we can get it back on the pc and hopefully have everything bundled like Apple does it.

Bonteburg · Post by **Bonteburg** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:57 pm

Hm..I've been using Express since Feb 2004 now and it's still no way of life to me (like Muzys was before) but I will say that it's not nearly as overcomplicated and illogical as people say it is -whoever started that urban myth and why?? It's just a normal sequencer I've grown to like (with the occasional tantrum i didn't throw at Muzys!)

Marco

thomasj · Post by **thomasj** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:00 pm

Love it too! Don't understand why people say Logic is so hard to learn, it appealed to me the minute I saw it. Truly excellent interface, workflow, fx & instruments plugins etc.
And then came damn Apple.. Leaving me behind with 5.5

!

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:01 pm

pHz wrote:
spaceman wrote:If you take the time to learn Logic, understand layers in the environment, mapped instruments, etc. (a good two days work)
you get control over the most powerful host by far.. in my opinion
people who critique Logic either don't have a brain, have no manual or are just simply f**king pussies ..
or a combination of any of the above
... or arent dumb enough to own a mac !!!

spaceman wrote:I Logic!
coolcool ... not enough love around ...

slainte rob

just for the record I need to add that I am NOT making any comparisons with other hosts!!
my sentiments about Logic do NOT in any way reflect any negative sentiments about these other hosts

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:08 pm

spaceman wrote:people who critique Logic either don't have a brain, have no manual or are just simply f**king pussies ..
or a combination of any of the above

FLAMEBAIT

Well, you did throw in a smily but these kind of thatements are THE fuel for religious flamewars and 'my sequencer is better then yours' kinda fights. It leads to nothing and certainly is no help for people who are actually looking around to choose a sequencer.

There is a (very old) saying that goes a long, LONG way in these matters: to each his own

Oh, and I don't like Logic at all but I can understand that other people like it and it is certainly a very powerfull application. But it is clearly not a grand example of how a user-interface should be designed (at least under windows, it might be a complete different thing on Apple).

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:08 pm

I'm still wondering why other companies aren't stealing more from it, namely the extended parameter box with all the swing and whatever options, the loop feature, the freely configurable mixer, the velocity tool in Matrix edit, Hyperdraw and Hyperedit, etc etc etc.

OTOH, I'm also wondering why Emapple isn't stealing more from other sequencers. The abundance of proper MIDI program change support for plugins for instance is driving me mad (heck, this is even working for some 3rd party plugins!). Or look at their very own instrument plugins - NONE of them have a proper MIDI implementation as in MIDI learn/assign, something you'd clearly expect from about every virtual instrument these days.
The same goes for MIDI out plugins, they're still a no-go in Logic (unless you really hack your way around it).

It's still my absolute favourite though - and yes, I'm on PC (until summer I think). I also own SX and eXT, and while the latter is brilliant as a sub-host, as a sequencer nothing beats Logic, as much as I wished that'd be different. SX has certainly got some nice audio oriented features, but for MIDI treatment and virtual instrument stuff (mind you, the b0rg even invented that...) it still seems as if some clueless minds designed it.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:10 pm

thomasj wrote:Love it too! Don't understand why people say Logic is so hard to learn, it appealed to me the minute I saw it. Truly excellent interface, workflow, fx & instruments plugins etc.
And then came damn Apple.. Leaving me behind with 5.5 !

I started with Martin Sitter's book which, although quite basic, was a great way to quickly get to grips with most functions without having to go through the not always helpfull or informative reference manuals. Just finished 'Advanced Logic Pro 7: Professional Music Creation and Audio Production' which I think tought me about anything I'll ever need in my projects

a few days to get through both books and there was not one single thing in there that was difficult to learn in any way

..the occasional SOS and other article doesn't hurt either

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:12 pm

crimsonwarlock wrote:
spaceman wrote:people who critique Logic either don't have a brain, have no manual or are just simply f**king pussies ..
or a combination of any of the above
FLAMEBAIT

Well, you did throw in a smily but these kind of thatements are THE fuel for religious flamewars and 'my sequencer is better then yours' kinda fights. It leads to nothing and certainly is no help for people who are actually looking around to choose a sequencer.

There is a (very old) saying that goes a long, LONG way in these matters: to each his own

Oh, and I don't like Logic at all but I can understand that other people like it and it is certainly a very powerfull application. But it is clearly not a grand example of how a user-interface should be designed (at least under windows, it might be a complete different thing on Apple).

I think a lot of critisism comes from the Windows days and is repeated by people who never touched the OSX versions at all. It has changed a lot!!! Still has some flaws, but damn it.. it's seriously powerful

HelgeG · Post by **HelgeG** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:13 pm

I'll soon be reunited with my love. Since Apple announced their Intel-venture, I have been inching ever closer to the switch. It has gone so far that I now actually have Logic 7.2, but as of yet no Mac

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:14 pm

HelgeG wrote:I'll soon be reunited with my love. Since Apple announced their Intel-venture, I have been inching ever closer to the switch. It has gone so far that I now actually have Logic 7.2, but as of yet no Mac

that must itch

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:23 pm

As I said, I'm convinced it is very powerfull. But I tried to get started with the (obviously lighter) version that came with Music Studio 2005 and just couldn't get the hang of it. From your own statements it is clear that you NEED manuals and/or books as you say yourself that the usermanual is 'not always helpfull or informative'. It's clear that Logic's user interface 'clicks' with some people and not with others. I'm now a SONAR-user and I had it set up with all my plugins readilly available, my midi-keyboard connected and working and running a midi-sequence on a VSTi with some VST effects on it within half an hour or so from first installing the application. And that without reading one line of text in a manual (it's SONAR LE so there isn't even a manual, only a helpfile, but didn't read that either), all because it's user-interface is largely self explanatory. I seriously have never heard of anyone doing that with Logic after 'first contact'

But to be honest, I've seen some people make the same claims about SONAR as the ones I (and others) make about Logic. So again I say: to each his own

Watto · Post by **Watto** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:28 pm

"Logic!" said the Professor half to himself. "Why don't they teach logic at these schools? There are only three possibilities. Either your sister is telling lies, or she is mad, or she is telling the truth. You know she doesn't tell lies and it is obvious that she is not mad. For the moment then and unless any further evidence turns up, we must assume that she is telling the truth."

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