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mayan · Post by **mayan** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:01 am

For some reason, lately, Sonar 5.01 PE (w/ Athlon 64+ 3400 and Delta 66) has been behaving erratically. I'm not sure whether it's being caused by Kontakt2 or something else is kerbluey BUT sometimes I'll be playing merrily along and WHOMP Sonar will just vanish. Checking on the Task Manager I see that it's still residing in memory but it is no where to be seen visually.

Tonight I was playing Stylus when it happened (although I had been running Kontakt2 and then deleted it earlier). POOF gone. It's also happened with Shortcircuit...on a song I was not using Kontakt2 in.

Any suggestions? Would a reinstall help? Reformat? Is there any way to ascertain whether it's a hardware thing (the computer runs fine otherwise) or a Sonar thing? Some sort of driver issue? I'm totally at sea.

Anyhow, thanks so much for any help you can offer to this bewildered (and frustrated) musician. I posted this over at the Sonar forum and it's sinkin' like the sun off of the West coast.

JerGoertz · Post by **JerGoertz** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:04 am

Does it happen with any plugins in particular?

If not, I'd recommend a reinstall.

sluggo · Post by **sluggo** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:01 am

I'd try to phone Cakewalk (or email). Maybe they have some software that can log errors or something like that.

Left Headphone · Post by **Left Headphone** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:12 am

Welcome to Sonar... People use to that if you had PACE plug-ins they would cause Sonar to vanish. Well, I found and delete mine and it still vanished from time to time.

It has caused me to become a "saving maniac." When using Sonar, I hit the save button every time I blink (or just about). Its crazy, but that is why I didn't upgrade to 5...

Rabban · Post by **Rabban** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:31 am

I know you say that you have Kontakt2. I was wondering in you also have VSampler installed? The behaviour you have is similar to what I have experienced and I know that over at Native Instruments, they even had a warning awhile ago about not having VSampler installed on a machine with any NI instrument.

flugel45 · Post by **flugel45** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:40 am

There are some recommended "tweaks" to the aud.ini file that can make the difference between poofs, and pops, and a smooth running system. Many of these are compiled in the Sonar FAQ, so check it out!

JD

mayan · Post by **mayan** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:33 pm

thanks, y'all...I'll try the reinstall and the Sonar FAQ thang...as well as the (un)Quick Bounce thing...anything to have a project not get "poofed" into the Void w/o warning.

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:58 pm

hmmm I use stylus all the time with no poof. I dont own kontakt however. I dont even thing I can honestly remember the last time sonar has "poofed" on me(actually Im pretty sure it was mainly in the days of 4.x or possibly the 5.0 release) 5.01 has been pretty solid in that respect.

mayan · Post by **mayan** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:03 pm

yeah, SAP...it had been great for me, as well...then I did a re-install of a ghost image and changed some things around...I'm definately gonna nuke Sonar and reinstall - probably this evening. Nothing like having a great groove-beat going and "poof" for making one totally mental and homicidal toward all things silicon.

3*s · Post by **3*s** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:07 pm

Are you using multple hard drives and/or partitions? If so describe them.

mayan · Post by **mayan** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:13 pm

multiple hard-drives - the executables are on my c: drive - many of the data files and samples are on an internal drive although some are on a firewire drive. I don't have the specs here, as I'm at my office...No separate partitions on the same drive.

mayan · Post by **mayan** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:40 pm

BTW...if someone could direct me to the Sonar FAQ involving the *.ini file, I'd appreciate it. I tried to find it on the Cakewalk page but was not successful. I've always been a bit afraid to start mucking around to deep coz I know just enough (and am fiddly just enough) to get myself in deep shit. And then I have to rely upon youse guys to pull me out. At any rate...Thanks!!!

3*s · Post by **3*s** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:50 pm

What file systems (for each partition)? Sonar really hates mixing partition types. Also make sure Sonar is on your primary partition, eg the one your os files are on.

Try defraging all the partitions.

Also, if plan on manipulating partitions, be really sure everything is backed up, partition magic and similar programs can be dodgey from time to time.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:06 pm

3*s wrote:Also make sure Sonar is on your primary partition, eg the one your os files are on.

Why? Ive never had it on the same partition in five versions of Sonar.

Ron Kuper [Cakewalk] · Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:37 am

Left Headphone wrote:People use to that if you had PACE plug-ins they would cause Sonar to vanish. Well, I found and delete mine and it still vanished from time to time.

Poofs are not only caused by PACE. They are generally caused by any plugin which employs anti-debugging countermeasures in their copy protection code.

When an application crashes, what normally happens is that Windows attaches a new process to product the crash dump and error report. This process attaches via the same APIs that debuggers use to attach to another process. Many over-protective copy protection routines prevent external debuggers from attaching, so when the O/S itself tries to attach to make a crash dump, it can't and the application simply disappears.

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