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Drainage · Post by **Drainage** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:27 pm

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this forum (have been on the site for ages, how stupid is that) and just wanted to inform everybody that I'm working on a Royalty Free Drumloop Library (wich I'm creating from scratch).

Most of the loops were created by triggering FXpansion's BFD (+8bitkit and XFL) with my Roland TD8-KV.

I'll release a new set of loops every month. They will be MP3 (320 kb/s) because of the limited webspace on my site.

You can check out february's finest at DRAINAGEMUSIC.NL.

And while you're there check out some music

Cheers,

Hans.

SampleScience · Post by **SampleScience** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:06 pm

Thanks for the sounds!

circuitbentpirate · Post by **circuitbentpirate** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:07 pm

Are you sure the BFD sounds are royalty free?

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:08 pm

who gives a damn..grab 'em while ya can!

Drainage · Post by **Drainage** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:12 pm

circuitbentpirate wrote:Are you sure the BFD sounds are royalty free?

Well I should think so after paying like 750 euro's for the 3 series... The loops are unique, composed by me so... I don't think there's a problem. What else is the point in buying a sample library like that ?

circuitbentpirate · Post by **circuitbentpirate** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:21 pm

"What else is the point in buying a sample library like that ?"
Why not just upload the whole program then.

Drainage · Post by **Drainage** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:29 pm

I mean, it's intended to use in a studio (rather than micing up a true kit). I will read the manual and see if it says I have to pay every time my stick hits the snare... would be weird though... wouldn't it be ?

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:34 pm

Drainage wrote:
circuitbentpirate wrote:Are you sure the BFD sounds are royalty free?
Well I should think so after paying like 750 euro's for the 3 series... The loops are unique, composed by me so... I don't think there's a problem. What else is the point in buying a sample library like that ?

if not it would mean you wouldn't own the full copyright to your own songs if you use BFD for them...

- jeez, some people worry too much...

Drainage · Post by **Drainage** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:37 pm

there you go Jens.

circuitbentpirate · Post by **circuitbentpirate** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:40 pm

Drainage wrote:I mean, it's intended to use in a studio (rather than micing up a true kit). I will read the manual and see if it says I have to pay every time my stick hits the snare... would be weird though... wouldn't it be ?

Yeah, that would be weird, but I'm pretty sure you paid a one time fee allowing you to use the samples in anything your studio releases.

I'm sure they sound great, but now that I'm learning mic techniques in school, I wouldn't use a program to make real sounding drums. I have BFD lite, and I wasn't really impressed by the sounds.
Have you seen that video comparing a real kit to a Roland Electronic kit, to BFD? http://www.sonicstate.com/articles/article.cfm?id=94It was pretty cool.
I would use a sequencer if I wanted electronic drums, possibly sent through a guitar cabinet, and miked with a combination of close and ambient techniques, which is exactly what NIN does often.

Barf · Post by **Barf** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:19 am

Do you have to pay for each note played with a preset of your Roland/Korg etc synth?!

Snoogins47 · Post by **Snoogins47** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:01 am

Barf wrote:Do you have to pay for each note played with a preset of your Roland/Korg etc synth?!

No, but if I sat down with those presets and turned them into a multi-sampled library and tried to sell it, I'd be breaking the law.

This specific issue is an interesting one though, since in a very real sense, drum loops are mini performances. A full song that you sell is fine. A set of one-shot samples stolen from BFD is not. Loops are obviously somewhere in between, I just have no idea where. I'd like to hear the definitive answer on this, just to satisfy my curiousity.

Barf · Post by **Barf** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:34 am

What if I recorded some bassriffs on my bassguitar or make a soundfont of it and tried to sell them, would I be paying the paying the company who build my bassguitar?

(I'm not trying to be a smartarse, just also curious about how far this copyrightthing goes)

tee boy · Post by **tee boy** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:43 am

One simple answer - why not just ask FXpansion is its cool to give out the loops.

Thanks btw, they sounds sweet!

TB

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:08 am

If you want to distribute samples – your best bet is to sample them yourself direct from the original instrument or ambience – or – really know for sure your license covers you to distribute samples derived from others – its not a place to take a guess.

I would take the link down and ask FXpansion as teeboy suggests – that way you will know for sure.

Here you go I will point you in the direction on where to get this clarified

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=13

Sample based products (including hardware ones) can have certain limits to what can and cannot be done with the sample content – clarify first then post is the best thing to do.

Royalty Free Drumloops (new here ;)