Sxratch updated to v2 - total rework

[Rozzer]

this seems pretty cool. is it possible to control this with midi CC's, and if not...would you consider adding CC support?

-ugo

Added now (download the zip again), not sure how it will work due to the 127 steps MIDI limitation.

I just tried to a little scratching via cc# control, but it doesn't work properly. When you use the mouse, the act of clicking the button stops the record spinning (like putting your finger on the record). However, when you use midi cc# to automate, this finger-stop isn't replicated, so when the plug receives a cc# command it jumps to the correct part of the wav, but doesn't stop the constant playback. The result is a kind of strange jerky stuttery sound.

Fantastic plugin. I think I'd use it alot if midi cc# control was fixed.

[[decipher]]

really nice little plug. but sadly CC control does not work usable at all. tried to control the skratch slider with the mod wheel. it does work. but sounds terrible. when moved it sounds like the audio is extremly fast played forward backward around the position of the slider.(which btw. IS a common used scratch technique. hehe. putting your fingers on the record and stain your arm muscles till your hand starts to tremble. sounds almost identical! ) most probably because of the 127 midi thingy you mentioned.
another thing to note (as a once self proclaimed turntablist with 10 years of history behind my technics. hehe buhuhu. i suck so its no braggin.) when using the mouse. the left/right slider movement feels very uncommon. as the slider stands for the vinyl record movement UP/DOWN would be way more natural.
it really would rock with smoothed out cc support to use the modwheel or whatever to smoothly control the slider.

nevertheless. really nice plug.

[ugo]

what CC is the scratch control assigned to?
edit: i guess its supposed to be mod wheel then? strangely enough its not working for me, but if the CC control idea isnt turning out too well then i guess im not missing anything on that front.

i keep hopeing to find a scratch vst that would work well with CC's and allow me to use my kaoss pads to control it. not that i know how to scratch, but i think it could be fun.

-ugo

[Spyro]

The "hold on mouse click" behaviour was very tricky to implement, so I'm not sure if I can register that as an automatable parameter, I'll see what can I do.

I have read your mail and I see you're trying to use Sxratch with your KAOSS pad, that sounds really cool mate! I would like to have a video of that FOR SURE

You just need the mouse click (hold) assigned to some CC controller to make it work?

[PTV]

ugh, my search continues for a VSTi-DJ Deck that's good for DJing sets with...

ATA

Yes, a good VSTi-DJ Deck would be great. Not something fancy, a simple player like Mp3play2, but with better pitch control.

Very nice pluggin BTW, thanks Spyro!

[[decipher]]

ugo: i just tried it in energyXT and assigned the modwheel to the sxratch slider parameter within the energyXT ccmap thing.

[Rozzer]

The "hold on mouse click" behaviour was very tricky to implement, so I'm not sure if I can register that as an automatable parameter, I'll see what can I do.

I have read your mail and I see you're trying to use Sxratch with your KAOSS pad, that sounds really cool mate! I would like to have a video of that FOR SURE

You just need the mouse click (hold) assigned to some CC controller to make it work?

Hi Spyro,

Yes. that would be perfect for the kaoss pad, because it sends out a cc#x value 127 when you touch the pad, and a cc#x value 0 when you release it (aswell as the X Y cc#s). However, it wouldn't help anyone else, who just wanted to use mod wheels etc. Perhaps a mode where the mouse click hold could be toggled on/off would help there.

(I'll make you a video, if you make it work )

[Spyro]

when using the mouse. the left/right slider movement feels very uncommon. as the slider stands for the vinyl record movement UP/DOWN would be way more natural.

Yes that's true, but when you are scratching with your computer mouse is much better in horizontal mode, vertical is very arm straining.

what CC is the scratch control assigned to?

I'll tell you something...I don't have a damn clue hahaha, I'm dealing with sub controls on SE and there is no obvious box to choose which MIDI CC you want assigned to it ...doesn't your host has MIDI learn?

[Spyro]

Yes. that would be perfect for the kaoss pad, because it sends out a cc#x value 127 when you touch the pad, and a cc#x value 0 when you release it (aswell as the X Y c#cs). However, it wouldn't help anyone else, who just wanted to use mod wheels etc. Perhaps a mode where the mouse click hold could be toggled on/off would belp there.

Tell me a CC# number that is good for you.

[Spyro]

ugh, my search continues for a VSTi-DJ Deck that's good for DJing sets with...

ATA

Yes, a good VSTi-DJ Deck would be great. Not something fancy, a simple player like Mp3play2, but with better pitch control.

Very nice pluggin BTW, thanks Spyro!

That could be my next project, thanks guys for the idea.

Is that Mp3play2 a Synthedit module? where do I find it?

EDIT: I realized you were talking about this one http://www.kvraudio.com/get/604.html

Looks complicated though, I'm not sure I can make that waveform view, and less sure if there is some Mp3 player module for SynthEdit.

[PTV]

Here it is:
http://www.askywhale.com/vst/

[Rozzer]

Yes. that would be perfect for the kaoss pad, because it sends out a cc#x value 127 when you touch the pad, and a cc#x value 0 when you release it (aswell as the X Y c#cs). However, it wouldn't help anyone else, who just wanted to use mod wheels etc. Perhaps a mode where the mouse click hold could be toggled on/off would belp there.

Tell me a CC# number that is good for you.

The default cc# for the kaoss pad is 92 (127 finger down, 0 finger up)

[ugo]

I'll tell you something...I don't have a damn clue hahaha, I'm dealing with sub controls on SE and there is no obvious box to choose which MIDI CC you want assigned to it ...doesn't your host has MIDI learn?

im using cubase SL3 which, to my knowlege, doesnt have a midi learn function built into it.

to automate the sub controls, put them into a container then right click on the container label. towards the bottom of the list you'll see an option for automation. another option is to right click on the root level container and find the control in the longer list.

just dont assign it to CC's 32-63 because SE has those pre-assigned to the midi standard for fine tuning control of other CC's...which make them useless for normal CC use. hey, now that i think of it, if people are having problems with the 127 step thing, i wonder if you can somehow use those fine tuning CC's for smoothing out the response?

-ugo

[Rozzer]

hey ugo,

There isn't a problem with the 0-127 thing yet. At the moment midi control of the scratch slider just doesn't work correctly. I can't see it being a problem once Spyro susses it out. Besides, there are hardly ANY controllers that can send out 14 bit midi control data (msb/lsb). Infact I wish jeff would just free up those reserved cc numbers for normal use as I can't think of any SE creations that make proper use of them!

[Spyro]

SOLVED!! (thanks ugo and Rozzer)

Please re download the zip file.

Scratch Slider: CC#31
Scratch hold (mouse click): CC#92 (value range 0 to 1...or any other possitive value)

When hold is ON the wibble effect is out, the scratch slider is smoother again, but consider raising the "smooth knob" because you still can hear the 0-127 MIDI stepping.