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digitalmessiah · Post by **digitalmessiah** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:55 am

drainage, rather than using bfd for making them loops why not use the roland v-drum sounds instead?

so that everything will be settled.

Gale · Post by **Gale** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:26 am

The answer here :

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 92#1692492

Cheers

digitalmessiah · Post by **digitalmessiah** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:42 am

thanks

Drainage · Post by **Drainage** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:47 am

digitalmessiah wrote:drainage, rather than using bfd for making them loops why not use the roland v-drum sounds instead? so that everything will be settled.

I guess I'll just have to do that

Those who got them :

, those who haven't :

They're gone....

I will reconsider this though (get in touch with FXpansion

) I'm very small time and it could just be seen as advertisment for their great sounding drumkits !

Hans.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:22 am

jens wrote: fortunately it is - I own Cakewalk's Dimension - it comes with piano-sample programs - I can right now record some solo-piano with it (which I composed myself), render it to .wav and make a contract with you with which I give you all copyrights to this recording - that's just the same thing.

No, you can't make such a contract. Well, you could, but it wouldn't hold any legal water at all.
Selling copyrights is *impossible*. You can only give away your rights for distribution.

However, that's got nothing to do with the topic.
It's all about protecting FXpansions work on the samples.
So, if you would for instance make a "loop" only playing a slow ramp of 8th notes on a snare, some clever people could probably just sample the individual notes and rebuild the velocity layerings.
Of course that's against FXpansions interests, hence the paragraph in their license agreement.
I'm sure they will gladly allow you to distribute any loops as soon as you created and processed them yourself. After all, that might even be a good advertisent.

Thing is, you just gotta ask them.

Btw, it's the same with the piano solo. In case it'd only be single notes at varying velocities, someone might rip the samples and rebuild the patch.

And fwiw, someone mentioned sampling a synth and giving the patch away for free: That's perfectly possible in case it's not using samples and in case you're not sampling some other persons presets.
It's even possible in case the synth is using samples, as long as they're not resampled in their "raw" form.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:23 am

oh well - the kvr-copyright-police has struck again - sometimes I f**king hate this place - spreading doubts and fears, that's what the world is made of...

SKoT_FX wrote:If you sell finished musical works which are entirely drumloops, that's fine.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:25 am

Oh, btw, tothe original poster:
If you do some loops (and get permission from FXpansion), I recommend doing them in OGG format as that won't add silence on reconverting to .wav - something MP3 conversion is doing.

Drainage · Post by **Drainage** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:39 am

Sascha Franck wrote:Oh, btw, tothe original poster:
If you do some loops (and get permission from FXpansion), I recommend doing them in OGG format as that won't add silence on reconverting to .wav - something MP3 conversion is doing.

I just mailed to FXpansion... let's see.

Caused quite a STIR here huh ? (not bad for a first post...

Hans

SKoT_FX · Post by **SKoT_FX** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:53 am

FX sees scope for more BFD promo here... stereo MP3's of drumming performances should be cool with FXpansion - after all, we have similar examples as BFD demos on our website. Hans, please check your email, I propose we engage in a liddle bit of cross-promotion. Can you send me links to the tracks?

Snoogins47 · Post by **Snoogins47** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:30 pm

jens wrote:oh well - the kvr-copyright-police has struck again - sometimes I f**king hate this place - spreading doubts and fears, that's what the world is made of...

The making of sample libraries in any form, commercial or otherwise, be they either single hits, drumloops, or fully mixed audio clips is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN without express written agreement of FXpansion and its audio partners, and violations will be prosecuted to the full extent of international and local copyright law.

Damn us (f**king hated) people, spreading all our (true) lies, having all those (reasonable) doubts, and being (logically) afraid that this fair use (stomping all over copyright laws) might break the (already agreed to) agreements that our BFD user entered into with FXPansion (not quite Big Brother)

We can argue all day about whether or not these sorts of license agreements are silly, antiquated, useless, necessary, (insert adjective here). Those really AREN'T the primary concerns when it comes to a post like this. The primary concern of the "Copyright Police" is to provide as much information as they can, to protect basically everybody: from the person who may unknowingly break the law, to the kvraudio site itself.

The fact that you respond, yelling at the "copyright police" for being unreasonable, after a DIRECT QUOTATION of the license agreement shows that everybody who had doubts were CORRECT, is what really blows my mind though.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:13 pm

Snoogins47 wrote:
jens wrote:oh well - the kvr-copyright-police has struck again - sometimes I f**king hate this place - spreading doubts and fears, that's what the world is made of...

The making of sample libraries in any form, commercial or otherwise, be they either single hits, drumloops, or fully mixed audio clips is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN without express written agreement of FXpansion and its audio partners, and violations will be prosecuted to the full extent of international and local copyright law.

Damn us (f**king hated) people, spreading all our (true) lies, having all those (reasonable) doubts, and being (logically) afraid that this fair use (stomping all over copyright laws) might break the (already agreed to) agreements that our BFD user entered into with FXPansion (not quite Big Brother)

We can argue all day about whether or not these sorts of license agreements are silly, antiquated, useless, necessary, (insert adjective here). Those really AREN'T the primary concerns when it comes to a post like this. The primary concern of the "Copyright Police" is to provide as much information as they can, to protect basically everybody: from the person who may unknowingly break the law, to the kvraudio site itself.

The fact that you respond, yelling at the "copyright police" for being unreasonable, after a DIRECT QUOTATION of the license agreement shows that everybody who had doubts were CORRECT, is what really blows my mind though.

mssing my point there...

SKoT_FX wrote:If you sell finished musical works which are entirely drumloops, that's fine.

what's a 'library' - can you define that in legal terms?

I'd say it depends on what's the aim of the creator.

But anyway - only if something is written in a license it doesn't mean it's legally aplicable.

Hence I do not caqre much about its quotation.

Here we have a thread where someone posted free drum-loops he played and recorded by himself. But instead of using a real drumset he used BDF which he bought for good money for exactly this usage: to trigger it from his electronic drumset instead of using a real drumset. But the beats/rhythms, his playing technique etc. remain the same. Now someone says; 'are you sure this is not against the license?' - then a discussion breaks loose because KVR loves discussions especially when it's about law and the real or assumed violence thereof.

In the end the free loops are pulled. Had he not bought BFD but used real drums instead the loops would not have been pulled.

and the moral of the story: PEOPLE DO NOT BUY BFD BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT USE IT AT FREE WILL!!! USE A REAL DRUMSET INSTEAD!!!

Is everyone satisfied now?

Law wasn't invented for wanking all over it - it also wasn't invented fot scaring people off.

Off to program some drum-loops using DR-008 - gonna post them later on - see you in court FXpansion - have a nice evening everybody.

Barf · Post by **Barf** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:23 pm

safeaim · Post by **safeaim** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:09 pm

f**k yeah Jens!

f**k copyrights, people have been sampling artists for decades, this time they are at least using samples to create a completly new sound.
Spread the drumloops to the masses!

MattmaN · Post by **MattmaN** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:36 pm

So if I made a complete song that happend to have BFD samples as the drum track,and I start out my song with a drum performance I am in violation???

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:50 pm

MattmaN wrote:So if I made a complete song that happend to have BFD samples as the drum track,and I start out my song with a drum performance I am in violation???

No.

These licenses only exist to prevent you from competing against BFD with BFD's samples. Their just trying to keep the commercial viability of their product from being killed by their own product.

Royalty Free Drumloops (new here ;)