The I Love Logic thread

[DHR53]

I tried to like Live... and I did some (in my opinion) cool stuff with it, but it seemed to be a "round about" way to do what I did in Logic... And I really spent most of my time trying to find similar features and ways to do things... "like I did in Logic" so I finally said: Hey, maybe I should just use Logic!! Ha Ha! Live is a great program, but I think it's better for people who use more audio than midi... And like pieceing stuff together with loops! I did manage to get 5 or 6 VIs going with some audio loops, but I never could quite decide how I wanted to go back and forth between session and arrange, and or which area to finish a song!! I gave up... I can do anything I need to do in Logic and maybe DSP Quatro... and Logic is still the only app I can run 15 VIs with 6 FX sends at 50% cpu...

[Kim Olesen]

Well i love logic because, as someone said, it can be as simple or as complicated as you like it to be. Me i've never used the enviroment. I've never used screenshots. So i use it in a very simple way. But it just feels so good.

[A Greeno Beeno]

and its K.I.S.S. for Kim

[pjbfunk]

[quote="spaceman"]If you take the time to learn Logic, understand layers in the environment, mapped instruments, etc. (a good two days work)
you get control over the most powerful host by far.. in my opinion

i agree....get the certified apple instructional books.
after working through book 1 you will basically understand the enviroment etc IT IS NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND!!!
book 2 will give you everything and more.

[putte]

.. i never ever needed the environment. oh, okay .. i needed it for one thing: to create some more audio- or instrumenttracks. thats all.

putte

[spaceman]

.. i never ever needed the environment. oh, okay .. i needed it for one thing: to create some more audio- or instrumenttracks. thats all.

so far I've only used it to set up multi instruments and a drum map, although I don't actually use the drum map

[DHR53]

I love when the "Logic" discussions start... All these people come out of the woodwork to say how "hard" it is. And the people who use Logic, chuckle to themselves... You just know, they either:

A. Never spent more than a day learning the program...
B. Hate Apple/Macs
C. Heard other people talk about the program (but never used it)
D. All of the above...

[djsubject]

i loved logic (whan 5.5 was new)

it was years ahead of the rest IMVHO


but thay sold out to mac & stoped supporting vst devs for there win vershion

so even though logic is probly one of the best out there

i f**king hate it, lost shit loads selling that bitch

now excuse me while i throw darts at the logic logo on my dart board

i now use energyXT & Tracktion 2 eXT dose kinda have that logic feel to the midi editor IMO


any way i'll leave you happy mac users to gloat while i go play with my HUGE collection of freeware

[spaceman]

i now use energyXT & Tracktion 2 eXT dose kinda have that logic feel to the midi editor IMO

if you're a heavy drinker and you're in the habit of looking at things through squint eyes

[DHR53]

Category B. then... Huh?

[spaceman]

I think Logic should get an award just for the interface alone ..
Is there a better looking piece of software on the market?

I think not god damn

[djsubject]

i now use energyXT & Tracktion 2 eXT dose kinda have that logic feel to the midi editor IMO

if you're a heavy drinker and you're in the habit of looking at things through squint eyes

i said feel not look

you have to get intermet with your daw

besides theres meny things you can do in eXT thay you cant do in logic & all for £27

how much is logic? how much are macs?


now u see why i can get that logic feel from eXT's midi editor

but yea if i got a free mack & logic 7 i would be happy as c**t


i'm just a hater, leave me to hate

i'm broke, hateing is all i have left



Subz

[spaceman]

i'm just a hater, leave me to hate

i'm broke, hateing is all i have left

you should start a club with kriminal

[beej]

I think he's talking about an editor allowing you to destructively apply effects and the likes to some file. Which, indeed, would be very handy.

That's right. I do a LOT of work this way, so until Logic supports it I won't even consider it. Once you get hooked on desctructive editing, you will stop worrying so much about CPU strain and feel like you have unlimited cpu power... especially if your sequencer has an undo history for each specific file!

This way of working is a more kind of modern breakbeaty type approach, and I agree, I would like to be able to have this handled better in Logic - if you want to work this way, it can be a bit tiresome.

It's true that most commercial companies make AU versions now, but in terms of total plugins available (free, and quasi commercial included), VST is still king. Nothing to dispute, it's just sheer numbers.

Well I don't know that I'd "crown" a plugin format. It didn't really affect me at all, all of the commercial plugs I've bought, and some free ones too are available in AU, so I can't say I miss VST at all. And there are *way* more VST plugins available on the PC than there ever was for the Mac, so I'm not sure that dropping VST Mac support was as bad as you make out. Dropping VST support on a PC version would have made little sense, though, imho.

Dropping VST support was ill-advised, irresponsible, and selfish. It helped Apple only (via BS AU hype) and hurt the users of logic *as well as* all consumers of commercial software.

Well, if that's your opinion that's fine, but I'm not sure I'd state that as a matter of fact.
I'm sure it hurt many people, and I'm sure many people didn't care. I know many Logic users that don't use any third-party plugins at all, for example.

I don't know all reasons for the decision, I'm sure it wasn't an easy one. I can guess at some of them, and they make sense for business reasons. To be held hostage for a significant part of your product's functionality by a rival company who release a limited amount of host documentation for a 'standard' format, and who have had a long history of business rivalry is a risky business move.

It might even have been Apple who made it a condition of the upcoming buyout - Apple can be quite, er, single-minded on certain things when it comes to business.

Also, the plugin validation process, while some people found it an inconvenience, gave developers and the public a way to have a little more confidence that a plug would work. Often, a third party plug may crash the host which gives the impression the host is not stable, rather than being caused by the plugin at fault. Yes, it meant some more work for the developers, and some weren't happy with this, but it has meant that these days, stability with validated AU plugins has been *way* better than any host I've used, including Logic 5.5 on the PC with VST plugs. In fact, a plug has *never* crashed Logic Pro here, in the few years I have used the Mac version.

So not an exhaustive list, of course, but these are some of my guesses as to the AU decision. In any case, it's done, so there's not a huge point discussing it to death - plenty of that has gone on previously.

And these are *ongoing* damages to the audio community. Instead of only dealing with VST and RTAS on both mac and windows, now MFG's have to do VST, AU, and RTAS on the mac. It makes plugins more expensive (or have fewer features/updates) for everyone, permanently. The plugin format wars are very sad.

New formats have always meant choices for the developers - adapt, or die I guess. There are many developers who have developed a good codebase from which they can now make VST/AU/whatever formats from, and once you have abstracted that you have better potential to adapt for future changes - this is common in the computer industry as it moves fairly fast.

And although the work involved in creating an AU plugin wasn't as trivial for most as Apple kinda made out in the beginning, it wasn't vastly different to VST, as I understand. So it's not like most people had to throw away all their code and start from scratch, at least...

AU has also given developers new markets to explore - I'm talking about the Garageband community which is quite large seeing as all Macs within the last few years have it preinstalled. And even users of applications such as Final Cut Pro, Soundtrack, Motion and so on in the video and post markets can now buy and use AU plugs. In the case of the small music/production martet, the ability to expand into new markets is a good business opportunity. I know at least Glaresoft has had a *lot* of success with developing for the Garageband market.

And wow - I haven't heard the term "plugin format wars" for a long time... I think most people have accepted the situation for what it is, like it or not, and moved on...

[spaceman]

nice post beej