KVR Audio

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:33 pm

See, beej, what bothers me the most isn't the fact that some plugins aren't available or whatever - it's the sheer fact that my old songs won't load under and Logic/Mac version from v6 and up, even if I *do* have AU equivalents for all the used plugin.
This stinks, sorry.

And it's not as if it was only a PC/Mac backwards incompatibility, no, you can't even load your older Mac-made songs properly anymore either, whereas on the PC side of things I can still load anything I made, even stuff that used Win95.

As said, I couldn't care less about which plugin format I'm using, but I certainly DO want backwards compatibility. As is, whenever I'm gonna get a Mac, I will have to re-open EACH and EVERY song that I might probably work on again in some distant future, just to save plugin presets and such.
As said, it stinks...

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:41 pm

Hmmm, how many of those" freebie" VST plugs do you really use? Or even the tons of cheapo ones, clogging your .dll directory?? I had a million of em' and realized that I used a handful of "quality" commercial products, that had been thoroughly tested, and worked properly, with the exception of maybe Synth 1 and a few others. Give me Absynth, FM7, and Pro-53 and the Logic stuff... and I could make music forever!

(I might get a little bored... but that would be my own fault)

beej · Post by **beej** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:42 pm

I must try this out again, because in the past I'm sure i've loaded up 5.51 PC versions of songs using Waves plugins and had them come up correctly in Logic Pro using the AU versions.

I might be mistaken, and I'm not in the position to check this at the moment. In any case, if that is the case, then I agree it's a pain...

I never said Logic is perfect. I just said I love it. I have my own personal list of stuff I'd like to see, but none of that stops me making music.

beej · Post by **beej** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:47 pm

As for freebies, it's mainly the FishFillet stuff, Supatrigga, Musolomo, Inspector (although I bought XL too), the SSL freebie and Automat. Only a small selection of useful and interesting things. The rest is Logic and commercial for me (Stylus RMX, impOSCar, Zebra, Waves, that kind of stuff).

On the PC I used to try out stuff, but back in those days much of it wasn't that interesting or good, some were unstable, and above it all I just got tired if downloading and learning new stuff. I much prefer a leaner, simple but complete system that does what I need it to.

Then if I'm really in the mood to go hunting for something different, or something is recommended, i might try it out. if it might be useful, I'll keep it, if not, it goes...

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:51 pm

...I'm currently dealing with Automat, one of my favorite synths, having changed the preset format... so all the Logic songs I had with 1.7 won't play with the new version! (and the 60 presets I did as well)... Er, I also deleted Absynth 2 plugin, for Absynth 3... now I can't remember what the presets were, which means I can't make them sound the same with version 3... Arghhh! But that is one of the problems I used to have ALL the time with the PC (and freebie plugs) I'd start a bunch of songs... forget what I was using in them... then delete the plugs (clearing out my .dll folder again) Bammo! broken songs... Wow I had a lot of those in Orion!!

beej · Post by **beej** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:59 pm

Yeah, it's a good idea, with important stuff, to render out the tracks and and create and backup version that's not plugin dependent, just audio.

Probably less important for compressors and EQ's etc, but definitely for synths, samples using external sample files - anything that's not specifically contained in the song file that's vital to it.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:14 pm

beej wrote:I must try this out again, because in the past I'm sure i've loaded up 5.51 PC versions of songs using Waves plugins and had them come up correctly in Logic Pro using the AU versions.

I had no luck with any NI plugins. And I'm sure things just won't work. I think you can't even load Logic-internal presets made for VST plugins into their AU equivalents.
Maybe there's a difference for FX and instrument plugins? That would explain why the Waves plugins might've worked for you

Really, I love Logic as well, probably more than anybody else here (I mean, I *have* to work with SX quite sometimes - makes me love Logic even more).
But I hate corporate tactics just as much.

Kim Olesen · Post by **Kim Olesen** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:36 am

There are a couple of the wintel freebee vst i'd love to have a mac version of (the hg fortune synths to name some). My workaround to that is having my pc (which i use for internet and stuff) set up as a "hardware" synth. Meaning having a vst host and then loading the synth in that. And then an oldfashioned midi-connection from my mac to the pc.

TeeLangSun · Post by **TeeLangSun** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:14 am

DHR53 wrote:I love when the "Logic" discussions start... All these people come out of the woodwork to say how "hard" it is. And the people who use Logic, chuckle to themselves... You just know, they either:

A. Never spent more than a day learning the program...
B. Hate Apple/Macs
C. Heard other people talk about the program (but never used it)
D. All of the above...

or

E. Have used something else and are making a comparison which is fair enough.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:45 am

It was "The I Love Logic" thread, right?? Not the... "Tell us why you don't like Logic thread..."

stag · Post by **stag** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:32 am

DHR53 wrote:It was "The I Love Logic" thread, right?? Not the... "Tell us why you don't like Logic thread..."

How many logicheads have hacked other´s threads here at the forum???
sometimes people that couldn´t setup a freaking macro on SX to modify velocity on a proportional fashion.

sorry to post anything at all, i didn´t open the thread today, but only 10 pages long??? there aren´t that many peeps loving it... no wonder - loving software - it´s kind of sick, codephyles are hard to find these days.

All the best.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:52 pm

Well, as you pointed out, not many... Since there are so few of us!

popsych · Post by **popsych** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:02 am

jasonsantiago wrote:
Sascha Franck wrote: I think he's talking about an editor allowing you to destructively apply effects and the likes to some file. Which, indeed, would be very handy.

That's right. I do a LOT of work this way, so until Logic supports it I won't even consider it. Once you get hooked on desctructive editing, you will stop worrying so much about CPU strain and feel like you have unlimited cpu power... especially if your sequencer has an undo history for each specific file!

I used to load a finite number of effects in my host, and deal with that. Occasionally i'd spend the time to bounce and reimport and rearrange, but what a pain in comparison. I used to constantly want to upgrade my CPU and RAM -- now I don't care nearly as much and I just kind of shrug at dual core and such. I can keep my projects under 50% (along with owning a UAD-1) and feel unrestricted.

Funny, I love SX and would never open Logic for any reason!

You're joking right ? Logic can beat cubase any day for plugin count. I mean what's the point of having plugs using CPU when they're not doing anything. That's just plain dumb. I've never had a song where all tracks where going on at the same time so Logics save on CPU would balance the non-destructiveness for CPU reasons. I won't argue that when it comes to destructive editing Logic is years behind cubase, but i will argue that if that's the reason you're using cubase then you're using the wrong host. The host you want is Samplitude and now the copy of it's features Sonar. Samplitude has powerful destructive and even more powerfull non-destructive object based effects and still the coders have managed to keep idle plugins from consuming CPU even though the audio engine must be immensely more complicated.

I did use Cubase before affording Samplitude but now i have no reason to. If samplitude got Logic's Midi (which it does to some extend - similar setup in editors) and environment then i would not need any other host except wavelab for mastering and that only now that version 6 is out with pretty wicked features.

OMU · Post by **OMU** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:31 am

And Cubase is years behind Logic at non-destructive editing

I moved to Logic from Cubase and the only thing that really makes imo a difference is the handling of audio parts in the arrange.
On the other hand the automation in Cubase is a joke when you're looking how it is implemented in Logic.
In Cubase I used automation only when I had no other choice to do some kind of things but in Logic I find myself using it all the time.
And, by the way, you can limit as mch as you want the undo steps in Logic, so what's the big deal?
I still use Cubase from time to time but I couldn't see myself going back to it from Logic.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:39 am

Let's just not forget: Logic is looking clean and slick whereas Cubase looks like a freaking bag full of jelly beans.

The I Love Logic thread