KVR Audio

emanuelsj · Post by **emanuelsj** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:32 pm

Great job, man! Keep going!

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:54 pm

Newer versions of WinAmp are usually playing back 24bit files, and I think there's even an extension for Windows Media Player, but the updater is never working (I wonder why they invented that at all).

If anybody needs a good replacement for Windows Media Player, get Media Player Classic, which is also playing back DVDs and the likes just fine.

circuitbentpirate · Post by **circuitbentpirate** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:47 am

So if I was to make and sell a sample cd of my circuitbent instruments, what Bit rate and depth would be preferred? I would likely do 24 bit, 48 kHz WAV (of course), but that means fewer samples per cd (compared to 16/44.1). Anyone object to this specification? Anyone interested in a full cd of this type of stuff?

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:14 am

I wouldn't go for 48kHz. Most people I know are running their hosts in 44.1 and prelistening 48kHz samples (especially tonal ones) in a softsampler of whatever sorts usually turns into a nightmare.

circuitbentpirate · Post by **circuitbentpirate** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:51 am

What would it take to take the leap to 48kHz?

deaf dunderkwac · Post by **deaf dunderkwac** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:06 am

not much.... I do alot of work at 48, converting to 44.1 if needed. My host has a problem mixing bit-rates, so I always check the samples I'm thinking of using.
Other's
working methods will vary.

Any semi-decent audio editor will do the conversions, as will some of the media players.

circuitbentpirate · Post by **circuitbentpirate** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:16 am

I have no problems with 48, using ProTools LE or FL 5, so I use it, I thought most would be by now (2006!).

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:21 am

See, usually it doesn't make sense using 48kHz.
Whenever you're using sample CDs, they're coming in 44.1, your end result will be in 44.1 as well (most likely at least), so there's gonna be a few conversions involved. Which never is a good thing.
Assuming you've got proper converters (with proper filters), 48kHz should have no big advances, apart from slightly lower latency figures and probably a *tad* better sounding filters in some synths - both usually not being significant at all.

You could easily have a look into whatever studio (well, not easily of course...). You'll most likely find out that most of them are working either in 44.1 or in something *way* higher - 96 or even 192 that is.

You should use what is most common. And I'm sure it's 44.1 (unless you're planning to deal with SB Live users mainly). I just had a brief look at my Kontakt 2, BFD, GURU and whatever libraries (which are relatively new and they're not coming from audio CDs but are genuine samples), they're all in 44.1.

For me, dealing with a 48kHz library would be quite cumbersome, as I'm very often prelistening stuff through whatever sampler with my host(s) running at 44.1. As a result, things will be out of tune and tempo during prelistening.

Converting from 48 to 44.1 might not look as all that much of a deal (don't use multimedia editors, go for Voxengos RBrain, I think there's a free version), but in case there's embedded loop points in a sample, those will be lost - and that's just the worst thing to happen.

deaf dunderkwac · Post by **deaf dunderkwac** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:01 am

just thought to mention I use 48 if it ends up on digital video, where the standard is 48kHz sampling-rate.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:19 am

dunder wrote:just thought to mention I use 48 if it ends up on digital video, where the standard is 48kHz sampling-rate.

One question: Are you working in 48 as well in that case? Or do you only convert the final file?

circuitbentpirate · Post by **circuitbentpirate** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:40 pm

Studios usually ask the artist or producer what rate and depth to use. It just depends on the project, if it is going on a DVD, then a minimum of 24/48, if it's an indie band demo then maybe 16/44.1, a major label band then likely 24/192.
I think we can all agree that converting down to 44.1 is better than converting up to 48.

Blank_Frank · Post by **Blank_Frank** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:46 pm

These are fantastic and useable samples, but to be honest I'm not sure that anyone will notice the difference between 16/44.1 and 24/48, bearing in mind that the source material is not exactly hi-tech! I'd vote for more samples at the lower sample rate...

circuitbentpirate · Post by **circuitbentpirate** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:56 pm

maybe 10kHz?

yeah, I know these samples wouldn't really benefit from a higher sample rate.

puffer · Post by **puffer** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:18 pm

Downloading now. These look right up my ally; I'm lousy with analog and vintage samples and emulations, and am drawn to sounds that haven't been done or are harder to find. I look forward to trying and will post back when I do.

I did download your horror 1 pack, but to be honest I only explored it cursorily. Perhaps I'm waiting until next Halloween!

But thanks for your time doing this.

Free Circuitbent keys sample pack