IS CUBASE SE ENOUGH??

[keyman_sam]

sorry to hijack this thread (:oops:), but i noticed that it lags when i do automation in z3ta+. And it doesnt show up any of my effects! Other than that, everything's running as it should.

[bduffy]

Cubase SE lags? I wonder if that's just SE.

[G&L_player]

I'm presently a cubase vst-/32 user and was looking at the specs for cubase se3
it looks quite good and seems to have enough inputs and features do keep me satisfied. Has anyone here migrated from VST to se3.

Cubase SE comes bundled with quite a few products out there. Personally, I have SX3/SL3, but got a copy of SE with my Firepod.

SE is to SX/SL, what Cubasis is to Cubase, simply put. However, the whole product has basically changed. Essentially, you'll find that you have less of everything (i.e. sends, inserts, etc...) with SE.

Ideally, if you could pick up a (free) copy, while making another purchase, you'd be in a great position to upgrade it, if needed...pretty much the way the Cubasis upgrades worked, if you followed any of that path on your way towards VST/32. For some users, SE is more than enough. However, if your requirements are more stringent, there's the SE->SL->SX path, as you know.

[musiclinks]

I'm presently a cubase vst-/32 user and was looking at the specs for cubase se3
it looks quite good and seems to have enough inputs and features do keep me satisfied. Has anyone here migrated from VST to se3.

Cubase SE comes bundled with quite a few products out there. Personally, I have SX3/SL3, but got a copy of SE with my Firepod.

SE is to SX/SL, what Cubasis is to Cubase, simply put. However, the whole product has basically changed. Essentially, you'll find that you have less of everything (i.e. sends, inserts, etc...) with SE.

Ideally, if you could pick up a (free) copy, while making another purchase, you'd be in a great position to upgrade it, if needed...pretty much the way the Cubasis upgrades worked, if you followed any of that path on your way towards VST/32. For some users, SE is more than enough. However, if your requirements are more stringent, there's the SE->SL->SX path, as you know.

I thought actually LE came with products OEM, but if SE comes with some audio interfaces that's awesome. I might as well go the whole hog with cubase SX. Iw ould like to demo it 1st. I'll talk to steiny canada. Hopefully I don't get that same miserable girl with the 0 people skills...

[bduffy]

I'm presently a cubase vst-/32 user and was looking at the specs for cubase se3
it looks quite good and seems to have enough inputs and features do keep me satisfied. Has anyone here migrated from VST to se3.

Cubase SE comes bundled with quite a few products out there. Personally, I have SX3/SL3, but got a copy of SE with my Firepod.

SE is to SX/SL, what Cubasis is to Cubase, simply put. However, the whole product has basically changed. Essentially, you'll find that you have less of everything (i.e. sends, inserts, etc...) with SE.

Ideally, if you could pick up a (free) copy, while making another purchase, you'd be in a great position to upgrade it, if needed...pretty much the way the Cubasis upgrades worked, if you followed any of that path on your way towards VST/32. For some users, SE is more than enough. However, if your requirements are more stringent, there's the SE->SL->SX path, as you know.

I thought actually LE came with products OEM, but if SE comes with some audio interfaces that's awesome. I might as well go the whole hog with cubase SX. Iw ould like to demo it 1st. I'll talk to steiny canada. Hopefully I don't get that same miserable girl with the 0 people skills...

Hey...I just got Cubase LE with my E-MU 1212m, absolutely of no use to me. I wonder...what's your mailing address?

[musiclinks]

I'm presently a cubase vst-/32 user and was looking at the specs for cubase se3
it looks quite good and seems to have enough inputs and features do keep me satisfied. Has anyone here migrated from VST to se3.

Cubase SE comes bundled with quite a few products out there. Personally, I have SX3/SL3, but got a copy of SE with my Firepod.

SE is to SX/SL, what Cubasis is to Cubase, simply put. However, the whole product has basically changed. Essentially, you'll find that you have less of everything (i.e. sends, inserts, etc...) with SE.

Ideally, if you could pick up a (free) copy, while making another purchase, you'd be in a great position to upgrade it, if needed...pretty much the way the Cubasis upgrades worked, if you followed any of that path on your way towards VST/32. For some users, SE is more than enough. However, if your requirements are more stringent, there's the SE->SL->SX path, as you know.

I thought actually LE came with products OEM, but if SE comes with some audio interfaces that's awesome. I might as well go the whole hog with cubase SX. Iw ould like to demo it 1st. I'll talk to steiny canada. Hopefully I don't get that same miserable girl with the 0 people skills...

Hey...I just got Cubase LE with my E-MU 1212m, absolutely of no use to me. I wonder...what's your mailing address?

hmm, that would be an interesting way of getting a demo of cubase....

[mellotronaut]

Hello All,

I'm presently a cubase vst-/32 user and was looking at the specs for cubase se3
it looks quite good and seems to have enough inputs and features do keep me satisfied. Has anyone here migrated from VST to se3. I don't do a lot of live recording and I use VSTi's. I use the drum editor and piano role alot. Plus draw volume curves in the audio.
Does SE have as much editing features as VST-32, or should I go with higher version. Or maybe stick with vst/32 when I go to a new system with win XP?

Thank you

I use Cubase SE for audio-recordings. It's not the most stable host, but it does the job fine. For midi I'd prefer to use SL/SX 3; after /32 you would be disappointed with SE. It also has no freeze.

good point

It looks like there is an upgrade path from VST to SX. not too bad.....

so, I called Steiny Canada this afternoon and they did not have me on record for cubase, only for clean (which sucked IMO). THey did not have my wavelab reg, or my VST 3.7 or ver 5 on file. Whatever miserable person I got on the phone there then asked if I had the reg card??!???!
I luckily had a photocopy.
I just love being treated like a crook...I love it, you lose my registration and it's my fault...idiots.
Maybe Sonar or Sony wants my business??

It's always the same with Steinberg!!! I registered SE twice, but got only one confirmation after the second registration. Later I havn't heard anything from them. I also ordered the newsletter and got it just one time. They never informed me about updates or upgrades. They seem to think that they will sell enough without user-support. Advertising only.
Try the demos of Sonar, Tracktion, Live or Samplitude and decide afterwards. And keep /32!

[musiclinks]

Hello All,

I'm presently a cubase vst-/32 user and was looking at the specs for cubase se3
it looks quite good and seems to have enough inputs and features do keep me satisfied. Has anyone here migrated from VST to se3. I don't do a lot of live recording and I use VSTi's. I use the drum editor and piano role alot. Plus draw volume curves in the audio.
Does SE have as much editing features as VST-32, or should I go with higher version. Or maybe stick with vst/32 when I go to a new system with win XP?

Thank you

I use Cubase SE for audio-recordings. It's not the most stable host, but it does the job fine. For midi I'd prefer to use SL/SX 3; after /32 you would be disappointed with SE. It also has no freeze.

good point

It looks like there is an upgrade path from VST to SX. not too bad.....

so, I called Steiny Canada this afternoon and they did not have me on record for cubase, only for clean (which sucked IMO). THey did not have my wavelab reg, or my VST 3.7 or ver 5 on file. Whatever miserable person I got on the phone there then asked if I had the reg card??!???!
I luckily had a photocopy.
I just love being treated like a crook...I love it, you lose my registration and it's my fault...idiots.
Maybe Sonar or Sony wants my business??

It's always the same with Steinberg!!! I registered SE twice, but got only one confirmation after the second registration. Later I havn't heard anything from them. I also ordered the newsletter and got it just one time. They never informed me about updates or upgrades. They seem to think that they will sell enough without user-support. Advertising only.
Try the demos of Sonar, Tracktion, Live or Samplitude and decide afterwards. And keep /32!

Hello Mello,

Ya, their admin is pretty hopeless. I mean I've registered so many products with them.
They were much better in the nineties, it seemed they were interested in taking care of customers back then.
I've tried Tracktion, it looks good but I don't know if I can get my head around it, as I'm used to Cubase. I'm trying the Sonar5 demo, it looks good, but I need to work with it some more as it is also different than cubase.
I have Live lite which seems cool, but not my style.
Haven't tried samplitude yet.
I've been also fooling around with XT, may buy that no matter what full blown sequencer I buy.
I did get Acid Pro4 recently on sale and I like it so far. If acid 6 proves to be really good I may upgrade to that.
I'll keep my VST32 of course
DO you know if the printer dongle for VST will work on a new system with win XP?

[Conroy]

LE is the version that comes free with certain pieces of hardware. SE is better. I'd buy it now while you can. It's not all that different from SE3 and best of all... you DON'T need a dongle! SE is the way to go.

[lowercase]

Tracktion looks good? You know. I like form, and I know function matters. If the form is alright and the function is awesome, it can be looked over (Ableton live looks terrible after awhile, but it's excusable) but tracktion -looks- so absolutely TERRIBLE. I wouldn't touch that thing with 3,000 foot pole. I mean SERIOUSLY, I could make a better looking interface in MS Paint.

[kritikon]

Oh, I think that upgrade policy will be there indefinitely.

Yeah...Steinberg seem to hype up their latest versions by declarations that upgrade paths will be stopped once a certain time has elapsed after the release. I fell for that one with SX2 - I upgraded from VST5.1 under the illusion that the upgrade path was about to go. Yet a month later, the upgrade path was still there. Still is for SX3 it seems. Having said that...it was pretty well time I needed to upgrade anyway, and I've never regretted doing it. So the moral is, don't rush in because of any worries about upgrade paths disappearing.

Despite the usual misapprehension that Steinberg don't give 2 shits about their customer base...I suspect you could still access a cheap upgrade option from Atari v1.0 to SX, without paying the full price...and there's no reason they should allow that, because they're worlds apart. Steinberg certainly aren't perfect, but they do show some loyalty to old customers IMO.

$400 to upgrade to SX? Sounds OK to me...you get a whole lot more than VST. I was amazed at how much SX2 had moved on from VST, when I first got it.

[anzoid]

An additional SE (or SE3)question (+ thread hijack )
Is it possible to put effects on the final output (Master?) in SE3?
I currently use Cubasis 5.0 and on that you can't which limits me to using just the Steinberg SurroundSound and LoudMax plugins and then doing stuff like track compression and enhancing in Wavelab Lite.

There's still a reasonably good upgrade path from Cubasis to SE3 - £50 without dongle.

[musiclinks]

An additional SE (or SE3)question (+ thread hijack )
Is it possible to put effects on the final output (Master?) in SE3?
I currently use Cubasis 5.0 and on that you can't which limits me to using just the Steinberg SurroundSound and LoudMax plugins and then doing stuff like track compression and enhancing in Wavelab Lite.

There's still a reasonably good upgrade path from Cubasis to SE3 - £50 without dongle.

I wish there was an upgrade path from VST to SE considering the amount of money I've laid out for Steinberg products (about $1300).lbut I'm not holding out for that.
I know in Cubase VST that I can apply effects to final output, I'm surprised you can't do that in Cubasis.
I don't know if SE has that limitation....hmmmm hello Steinberg how about a demo download...no? thought so.....

[musiclinks]

Oh, I think that upgrade policy will be there indefinitely.

Yeah...Steinberg seem to hype up their latest versions by declarations that upgrade paths will be stopped once a certain time has elapsed after the release. I fell for that one with SX2 - I upgraded from VST5.1 under the illusion that the upgrade path was about to go. Yet a month later, the upgrade path was still there. Still is for SX3 it seems. Having said that...it was pretty well time I needed to upgrade anyway, and I've never regretted doing it. So the moral is, don't rush in because of any worries about upgrade paths disappearing.

Despite the usual misapprehension that Steinberg don't give 2 shits about their customer base...I suspect you could still access a cheap upgrade option from Atari v1.0 to SX, without paying the full price...and there's no reason they should allow that, because they're worlds apart. Steinberg certainly aren't perfect, but they do show some loyalty to old customers IMO.

$400 to upgrade to SX? Sounds OK to me...you get a whole lot more than VST. I was amazed at how much SX2 had moved on from VST, when I first got it.

HI Kritikon,

Yes, I agree, I'm not going to be rushed into upgrading before I'm ready, I still want to work with my existing software even after I get a new computer.
At least you didn't upgrade to SX1, that was supposed to be less than stellar, From what I can see, SX3 seems to be quite good, and that's why despite being treated rather rudely by their customer service I stil want to use their products.

[musiclinks]

LE is the version that comes free with certain pieces of hardware. SE is better. I'd buy it now while you can. It's not all that different from SE3 and best of all... you DON'T need a dongle! SE is the way to go.

SE looks good shame about the no demo though. If I could try it, it would probably be a lock. I wonder how many sales Steiny loses over not having a demo?