Hey guys, I have one concert recording with very low guitar, panned to the right. So bass and drums and vocals are nice and loud. So what I did , i split a wav into 2 monos, and one of them you can barely, barely hear the guitar at times. I was wondering, what VST or how do I remove that lil bit of guitar on the track. I tried using compressing, compressing vocals, drums, bass, could not really get any results. OR do I use an equilizer to cut the guitar frequencies .. Which frequencies the guitar occupies? They are not the same as vocals, right.
Ill be glad for some help, thanks in advance, guys
Removing already LOW guitar
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- KVRist
- 50 posts since 26 May, 2005
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- KVRian
- 711 posts since 8 Sep, 2005
Perhaps, this can be handled by Extra Boy Pro? Check it out: http://www.elevayta.com/KurtCocain wrote:Hey guys, I have one concert recording with very low guitar, panned to the right. So bass and drums and vocals are nice and loud. So what I did , i split a wav into 2 monos, and one of them you can barely, barely hear the guitar at times. I was wondering, what VST or how do I remove that lil bit of guitar on the track. I tried using compressing, compressing vocals, drums, bass, could not really get any results. OR do I use an equilizer to cut the guitar frequencies .. Which frequencies the guitar occupies? They are not the same as vocals, right.
Ill be glad for some help, thanks in advance, guys
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- KVRian
- 951 posts since 11 Jan, 2004 from Netherlands
Sounds like a job for Elevayta Extra Boy Pro
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2107.html
Extra Boy Pro is labelled as a 'Vocal Remover' - but this is only one application. It is actually an 'Anything You Like' remover. The '2D Mode' will allow you to identify the guitar frequencies, boost them or remove them completely. Check out the demos on my site to hear how effective this can be. Download the demo and try it yourself (instructions included).
Whoops (see post above) - somebody beat me to it with the recommendation - that's gotta be good.
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2107.html
Extra Boy Pro is labelled as a 'Vocal Remover' - but this is only one application. It is actually an 'Anything You Like' remover. The '2D Mode' will allow you to identify the guitar frequencies, boost them or remove them completely. Check out the demos on my site to hear how effective this can be. Download the demo and try it yourself (instructions included).
Whoops (see post above) - somebody beat me to it with the recommendation - that's gotta be good.
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championrabbit championrabbit https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=53166
- KVRian
- 559 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
Load it into your DAW and (70s 'live album' style) replace/add guitar yourself!
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 50 posts since 26 May, 2005
What is DAW ?? I dont get what you said above.. Well I am trying to remove that tiny bit of guitar to make it a nice backing track, yes.championrabbit wrote:Load it into your DAW and (70s 'live album' style) replace/add guitar yourself!
BTW, Itried Extra Boy Pro. Nice tool. Very nice, but I could not edit the already split mono channel. I had to load the original stereo wav to "see" the instrument parts. I tried to remove the guitar (right panned), but after all its the same effect as if I split the original file into 2 monos and using the left mono..
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championrabbit championrabbit https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=53166
- KVRian
- 559 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
Yeah, sorry I didn't read the post properly...
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- KVRian
- 951 posts since 11 Jan, 2004 from Netherlands
It's not the same. Removing just the guitar via EBP (Extra Boy Pro) is not the same as just ignoring the right mono channel. With EBP you edit out only the frequencies of interest that relate to the guitar, everything else (all frequencies above, below and around) in the right channel should remain (assuming that there is more than just the guitar in the right channel).KurtCocain wrote:I tried to remove the guitar (right panned), but after all its the same effect as if I split the original file into 2 monos and using the left mono..
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 50 posts since 26 May, 2005
Well, it is a poor live recording, so only guitar is on the right.. Bass is on left and vocals in center.. Basically even if I remove the guitar on right, there is still some tiny guitar on left, that I cant see via EBP. If I split the wav into a mono and use the left one, I am left with that tiny bit of guitar, but EBP cannot work with monos and show the 2d graph only as a vertical line. Maybe I am not that skilled to do the editing, tho.
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- KVRian
- 951 posts since 11 Jan, 2004 from Netherlands
Likelihood is that the bit of guitar in the left is at higher frequencies, so you need to scroll around to see it (right scroll bar). Also try switching on 3dB Slope and adjusting the Offset and Slope to improve contrast.KurtCocain wrote:Well, it is a poor live recording, so only guitar is on the right.. Bass is on left and vocals in center.. Basically even if I remove the guitar on right, there is still some tiny guitar on left, that I cant see via EBP. If I split the wav into a mono and use the left one, I am left with that tiny bit of guitar, but EBP cannot work with monos and show the 2d graph only as a vertical line. Maybe I am not that skilled to do the editing, tho.
A tip, when looking for instruments, start with EBP on lowest resolution. Once you have located all parts and drawn ROIs, increase resolution to fine tune with additional ROIs.
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Blue Cat Audio Blue Cat Audio https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=39981 - KVRAF
- 6360 posts since 8 Sep, 2004 from Paris (France)
(sorry for the self promotion, just proposing some ideas)
You can also give a try to our Widening Parametr'EQ product ( http://software.bluecatonline.org/Produ ... ParametrEQ): you will be able to remove the guitar even if it's not totally panned on the right. It can be used on your original recording.
Another approach is to boost other frequencies than the ones used by the guitar to mask the remaining guitar sound. Re-equalizing your recording with both approaches in mind can help.
A pannable multi band compressor could also do the trick, depending on the recording (difficult to say without hearing!)...
BTW if you are trying to make it a backing track, you might not need a 'perfect' result, especially if you choose a guitar sound similar to the original, your playing will mask the original sound.
Another idea (similar to multi-band compression): create an automation envelope invertly proportional to the guitar level (either manually (you can hear when the guitar is louder, can't you?) or with our Digital Peak Meter Pro product (DPMP) chained after an equalizer selecting the guitar frequencies (mid-range frequencies mostly), it'll be totally automated), and then apply this curve to the gain parameter of the correct frequencies of the equalizer:
audio -> filter guitar freqs -> DPMP -> envelope to guitar freqs EQ gain -> new audio
You can repeat this process on several frequency bands, you should get a very good result in the end.
This technique has been already sucessfully used by a customer to remove vocals from a recording. It's a bit heavier than other methods but more efficient since you can control the effect over time and adjust it manually if necessary. Trying to apply the exact same equalizing over the whole track might be not very efficient due to live recording conditions!
What's your host setup? Does it support parameters automation?
Hope this helps, good luck!
You can also give a try to our Widening Parametr'EQ product ( http://software.bluecatonline.org/Produ ... ParametrEQ): you will be able to remove the guitar even if it's not totally panned on the right. It can be used on your original recording.
Another approach is to boost other frequencies than the ones used by the guitar to mask the remaining guitar sound. Re-equalizing your recording with both approaches in mind can help.
A pannable multi band compressor could also do the trick, depending on the recording (difficult to say without hearing!)...
BTW if you are trying to make it a backing track, you might not need a 'perfect' result, especially if you choose a guitar sound similar to the original, your playing will mask the original sound.
Another idea (similar to multi-band compression): create an automation envelope invertly proportional to the guitar level (either manually (you can hear when the guitar is louder, can't you?) or with our Digital Peak Meter Pro product (DPMP) chained after an equalizer selecting the guitar frequencies (mid-range frequencies mostly), it'll be totally automated), and then apply this curve to the gain parameter of the correct frequencies of the equalizer:
audio -> filter guitar freqs -> DPMP -> envelope to guitar freqs EQ gain -> new audio
You can repeat this process on several frequency bands, you should get a very good result in the end.
This technique has been already sucessfully used by a customer to remove vocals from a recording. It's a bit heavier than other methods but more efficient since you can control the effect over time and adjust it manually if necessary. Trying to apply the exact same equalizing over the whole track might be not very efficient due to live recording conditions!
What's your host setup? Does it support parameters automation?
Hope this helps, good luck!
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Blue Cat Audio Blue Cat Audio https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=39981
- KVRAF
- 6360 posts since 8 Sep, 2004 from Paris (France)
BTW the frequency range chart of this thread might help you:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79634
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79634
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 50 posts since 26 May, 2005
Hey Bluecatonline, thanks so much for detailed explanation and advice. Yes, I am only trying to make a backing track, true aint gottab e perfect. Its just that when i do a "cover" using that backign I dont want my guitar to be heard, not Kurt Cobain's
About the pannable multiband compressor? Any good ones you can recommend. The one i have in Cubase is a multiband compressor but using the presets it has arent doing the trick..
BTW, the EBP works kinda cool, but with the demo version when I process the file after ive done my 2d markings ROIs, whatever, then the file comes out with blank segmets every few seconds.. so much for the demo I guess.
About the pannable multiband compressor? Any good ones you can recommend. The one i have in Cubase is a multiband compressor but using the presets it has arent doing the trick..
BTW, the EBP works kinda cool, but with the demo version when I process the file after ive done my 2d markings ROIs, whatever, then the file comes out with blank segmets every few seconds.. so much for the demo I guess.
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- KVRian
- 951 posts since 11 Jan, 2004 from Netherlands
Yep, the demo blanks audio every now and again. But you get the idea.KurtCocain wrote:BTW, the EBP works kinda cool, but with the demo version when I process the file after ive done my 2d markings ROIs, whatever, then the file comes out with blank segmets every few seconds.. so much for the demo I guess.