KVR Audio

Waynemendozza · Post by **Waynemendozza** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:49 pm

Well, to me there's not much of a dynamic difference between pod2 xt, AT1 and GT rig2. It's all digital processed and swings pretty much the same, in my ears. I think very good dynamic should be possible with waves GTR as mentioned above. They ship a guitar hardware plug with it. Take a look at it, there're also some videos you can watch.

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:52 pm

rockstar_not wrote:
I don't think so. The 'Pro' unit has both line level and balanced outs, as well as SPDIF. Why not try SPDIF?

I'm not using it at all to be honest since I don't think it sounds very good. It was a freebie so I'm not really bothered that it's useless...

Maybe the spdif would work better, but since it's got balanced outputs, why should one be forced to not use 'em simply because they are noisy?

Behinger is 'hit and miss' (putting it very politely) and for my money the Bass Vamp 'Pro' (hahaha) is a miss.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:39 pm

I wonder if you have a defective unit. (which wouldn't be a surprise). While the ranks are split regarding the guitar modeler (some prever V-Amp, but the majority still prefer the POD), I haven't met anyone online that preferred the Bass POD over the Bass V-Amp, having tried both. My understanding is the Behringer outdid Line 6 for the bass models.

I have to admit, though, I can't count myself among those who has tried both. I have used some of the bass tones from the TonePort (based on POD), but none from the V-Amp.

Greg

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:58 pm

Lunch Money wrote:I wonder if you have a defective unit. (which wouldn't be a surprise).

Maybe it is.

Like I say, I didn't buy it so it never occured to me to send it back.

Maybe I'll just stfu regarding the Vamp thing...

Chickenman · Post by **Chickenman** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:07 pm

Waynemendozza wrote:Well, to me there's not much of a dynamic difference between pod2 xt, AT1 and GT rig2. It's all digital processed and swings pretty much the same, in my ears. I think very good dynamic should be possible with waves GTR as mentioned above. They ship a guitar hardware plug with it. Take a look at it, there're also some videos you can watch.

I'll tell you right now that waves totally missed the boat

It sounds like shit.

Then again... doesn't most of waves stuff

(it's not conjecture... my friend tried it out, we played with it for a while, he tried guitar rig... he went to the store and bought GR2.)

silicon/silicium · Post by **silicon/silicium** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:10 pm

that must be a problem with the unit, I personnaly have a vamp2 (the real problem is the lack of dynamics compared to a tube amp, it's easier to recognize vamp2 by the little lack of dynamic than by its grain. by the way, it sounds FAR better than a cheap amp), I already played on a bass vamp, without any problem. then it's almost a question of taste, I prefear v-amp on saturated sounds, and podxt on crunchy sounds. but to me the vamp is not really under the pod in term of sound. just different.
and I never have any problems with it. but I know it's very "hype" to say behringer sucks. wich really depend on the product.

---you don't paid it, played it rarely, wow, what an experienced point of view...

ew · Post by ew » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:27 pm

championrabbit wrote:Amplitube has proper, full-on aliasing problems. Forget Amplitube.

Vamp is noisy and it's output is way too low. Forget Vamp.

Guitar Rig is also noisy, sounds (to my ears) bad, and has that stupid pedal thing.

The only thing I've heard that's better than Simulanalog is the Waves GTR thingy. If I was going to buy something, I'd buy that.

I use Trash all the time, but only for bass and strange guitar sounds. I couldn't rely on Trash for day-to-day sounds.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I bought a late 60s Selmer 50w valve head, a 1x12 (closed back) cab and a Weber attentuator for less than the price of Guitar Rig...

Any noise you get in the amp simulators such as Vamp and GR is present in your chain already and is just getting amplified. 1s and 0s DON'T make noise...

ew

juha_p · Post by **juha_p** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:28 pm

DSound has a good alternative, called GT Player (~117€ incl. VAT (~140$)). It comes as a VST and a Standalone versions. GT Player Express version is bundled free with M-Audio sound cards.

GT Player, software solution exclusively for guitarists, defines standard conventions and has taken a bold new step towards realizing live performance of VST Plugins and Instruments. GT Player offer 13 high-quality effects, which could be chained at two parallel and one serial effect chains with total amount of 24 effects slots.

Guitarists can use all VST plug-ins and instruments designed for guitarists i.e. Amplitube, Warp, Virtual Guitarists. They can also use the Track Player to jam to loops or learn riffs with their amazing real-time time stretching feature! The software is compatible with the Windows XP and Mac OS X as well.

Other features:

* 128 memory locations for program, 111 DSound factory presets designed by guitar players, suitable for various genres of guitar playing
* Any combination of up to 24 supported VST instruments and/or FX plug-ins in program - dependant on CPU power
* 13 bundled Stompn' FX are included, especially suitable for guitar sound processing
* Track Player for simultaneous background sound play with time-strech and playlist capabilities
* MIDI control of program, VST instrument and plug-in parameters from any MIDI controller, support for more than two midi device inputs, MIDI channel filtering, MIDI thru, MIDI program change
* ASIO compatible in/out (2 out channels)
* Computer keyboard sophisticated control (one-touch selection and loading of programs and tracks)
* built-in Output Soft Limiter
* Various handy preferences for effect appearence on screen
* and more

http://www.dsound1.com/products/index_en.htm
Demo sounds (sorry but not wery good guitar playing) - http://www.dsound1.com/products/gtpreset.php

Juha

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:14 pm

ew wrote: Any noise you get in the amp simulators such as Vamp and GR is present in your chain already and is just getting amplified. 1s and 0s DON'T make noise...

ew

The lead?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:32 pm

championrabbit wrote:
ew wrote: Any noise you get in the amp simulators such as Vamp and GR is present in your chain already and is just getting amplified. 1s and 0s DON'T make noise...

ew
The lead?

which can be sensitive to electrical interference, rf, sometimes it can be microphonic and even sometimes all of the above...

beergeek · Post by **beergeek** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:38 pm

GR = suck
VAmp = suck
Pod = suck
Amplitube = suck

Sorry, just thought I'd summarize all recent threads on this

Oh, before you ask...

Toneport = suck
GuitarPort = suck
Amp Sims = suck
Real amps if not Mesa/Marshall = suck

I think I've covered most of it...

Oh wait, bass players = suck

Ok, now I've covered it all...

Killvehicle · Post by **Killvehicle** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:43 pm

beergeek wrote:GR = suck
VAmp = suck
Pod = suck
Amplitube = suck

Sorry, just thought I'd summarize all recent threads on this

Oh, before you ask...

Toneport = suck
GuitarPort = suck
Amp Sims = suck
Real amps if not Mesa/Marshall = suck

I think I've covered most of it...

Oh wait, bass players = suck

Ok, now I've covered it all...

I agree with everything!!!! BUt Mesa=SUck!!

juha_p · Post by **juha_p** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:37 am

beergeek wrote:GR = suck
VAmp = suck
Pod = suck
Amplitube = suck

Sorry, just thought I'd summarize all recent threads on this

Oh, before you ask...

Toneport = suck
GuitarPort = suck
Amp Sims = suck
Real amps if not Mesa/Marshall = suck

I think I've covered most of it...

Oh wait, bass players = suck

Ok, now I've covered it all...

Are yo a drum player?

BTW: Didn't see the GT Player sucked --> so it don't suck?

Juha

dogod · Post by **dogod** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:07 am

beergeek wrote:GR = suck
VAmp = suck
Pod = suck
Amplitube = suck

Sorry, just thought I'd summarize all recent threads on this

Oh, before you ask...

Toneport = suck
GuitarPort = suck
Amp Sims = suck
Real amps if not Mesa/Marshall = suck

I think I've covered most of it...

Oh wait, bass players = suck

Ok, now I've covered it all...

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:00 pm

Hink wrote:
championrabbit wrote:
ew wrote: Any noise you get in the amp simulators such as Vamp and GR is present in your chain already and is just getting amplified. 1s and 0s DON'T make noise...

ew
The lead?

which can be sensitive to electrical interference, rf, sometimes it can be microphonic and even sometimes all of the above...

Ok, Mister Pedantic-face!

But since there is no such thing as a noiseless guitar (maybe those horrible line 6 things are noisless? God knows...), a unit that accentuates the noise part of a guitar signal is a BAD thing, right?

Also, to state that Vamp can't be noisy is clearly utter nonsense since a Vamp contains a pre-amp (presumably?) and certainly AD/DA codecs. Codecs can clearly be noisy, otherwise we'd all be using Soundblaster cards, non?

Amplitude & GuitarRig Vs. Vamp2 & Pod2