Tablet MIDI. List your Tablet experiences please

[ohm]

Improv: I think I need some more info - but after 4 cups of coffee my brain worked this out - might help

You write that the mouse freezes when you open tablet2midi - is that mouse using the tablet or is it a USB / ps2 mouse independent from the tablet? If the mouse is using the tablet then the behavior is normal, because tablet2midi is taking control of the wintab driver - as far as I know there is no way to read from the pen only and let the mouse continue to work as a mouse - I'll look into this - perhaps I missed something. If I can't work around this, the solution is to attach a USB mouse and set up controllers with that.
If it's a usb/ps2 mouse then there's definately something very wrong with my software - no windows app should freeze the mouse like you describe. Then we have to solve the problem the old fashioned way, me sending you test-versions printing log-files, etc. etc. in this case, drop me an email at jacob [at] livelab [dot] dk, thanks.

Second: you mention the pen can move in the big left hand window - do you mean the right hand window by any change? The big white control surface? If so, then this is perfectly normal - tablet2midi works by taking complete control of the pen movement and translating the pen position to a coordinate on the tablet2midi control surface. The pen is not supposed to be able to leave the control surface.

Hope this helps

Jacob

[ohm]

new version out - big update with incremental / relative midi, tilt and rotation and more

[Borogove]

Hey ohm -- played around a bit with tablet2midi (finally) -- would it be possible to show the position of the pen while there's no actual pressure/physical contact with the tablet? It would make it easier to see where you're about to draw a slider/button if you aren't tracing an overlay on the tablet itself. (Using the tablet as a mouse, the pointer does track when the tip gets close to the tablet without touching, so it must be fundamentally possible

[Improv]

You write that the mouse freezes when you open tablet2midi - is that mouse using the tablet or is it a USB / ps2 mouse independent from the tablet?

Sorry for the delay-I didn't see your reply till just now.

The mouse is the cordless mouse that comes with the Wacom graphire4. So yes, it works on the tablet. Both the mouse and the pen work flawlessly on all other programs that I have used them on.

If the mouse is using the tablet then the behavior is normal, because tablet2midi is taking control of the wintab driver - as far as I know there is no way to read from the pen only and let the mouse continue to work as a mouse - I'll look into this - perhaps I missed something. If I can't work around this, the solution is to attach a USB mouse and set up controllers with that.

No, the point is that when t2m is open, I have no control outside of the arena window. Can't do anything in t2m OR on the desktop. I have to open the task manager and kill the program to regain control. It does not matter if I use the graffire4 mouse/pen or my logitec optical usb mouse.

If it's a usb/ps2 mouse then there's definately something very wrong with my software - no windows app should freeze the mouse like you describe. Then we have to solve the problem the old fashioned way, me sending you test-versions printing log-files, etc. etc. in this case, drop me an email at jacob [at] livelab [dot] dk, thanks.

That's exactly the case, so I will be sending an email.

Second: you mention the pen can move in the big left hand window - do you mean the right hand window by any change?

Sorry, yes, I meant the right hand window.

The big white control surface? If so, then this is perfectly normal - tablet2midi works by taking complete control of the pen movement and translating the pen position to a coordinate on the tablet2midi control surface. The pen is not supposed to be able to leave the control surface.

I understand this, but I use the mouse that comes with the graffire4 to save desk space-I don't want a seperate mouse, and until now didn't need one. Isn't there some way to put in a control key to break out into normal mouse mode-like pressing ALT-ESC say and you then have mouse control back?

[ohm]

would it be possible to show the position of the pen while there's no actual pressure/physical contact with the tablet?

absolutely - I just never thought it neccesery - I do get your point though
Improv:

Isn't there some way to put in a control key to break out into normal mouse mode-like pressing ALT-ESC say and you then have mouse control back?

yes, that's on my TODO list.

It does not matter if I use the graffire4 mouse/pen or my logitec optical usb mouse.

I'll be sending you an email then. In the meantime, please try disconnecting the tablet and running Tablet2Midi with just the usb mouse. Does it still freeze then?

[Improv]

Improv:

Isn't there some way to put in a control key to break out into normal mouse mode-like pressing ALT-ESC say and you then have mouse control back?

yes, that's on my TODO list.

Rather important, IMHO, considering the wide spread use of Wacom tblets. (I don't know if other brands of tablet come with a mouse like the wacom tablets do or not.)

I'll be sending you an email then. In the meantime, please try disconnecting the tablet and running Tablet2Midi with just the usb mouse. Does it still freeze then?

I'll give it a try and get back to you.

Cheers

[fabi]

me being left-handed i actually prefer using a regular mouse with my right hand and drawing/painting/using the tablet with my left - so personally i'd never see myself using the tablet mouse, but i can see your point, improv.

me, i'm still happy that there finally is a tablet2midi software in development at all.

[Improv]

me being left-handed i actually prefer using a regular mouse with my right hand and drawing/painting/using the tablet with my left - so personally i'd never see myself using the tablet mouse, but i can see your point, improv.

me, i'm still happy that there finally is a tablet2midi software in development at all.

Yes, but you're an exception, Fabi!
Being right handed, and since the Graffire4 has a cordless mouse, I find it quite convenient to just put the mouse elsewhere on the desk when using the pen. Also saves space on the desk compared to having a dedicated mouse + a graphics tablet.

I'd be happy too if I can just get it working!

[Improv]

In the meantime, please try disconnecting the tablet and running Tablet2Midi with just the usb mouse. Does it still freeze then?

Just tried with a usb2 mouse connected as well as the graphire4. Both work fine now!

I'd still prefer a 'break out' hot key so that I can just use the Wacom mouse. It's rather redundant having two mice on the desk.

BTW-are there any sample layouts anywhere?

Thanks for your help.

[ohm]

Just tried with a usb2 mouse connected as well as the graphire4. Both work fine now!

Woot So it's working for you now? I didn't change anything here, must have been a glitch in your drivers...

are there any sample layouts anywhere?

not yet, but eventually I'll create some + a user library area on the website.

I'll add the "break out" hotkey thingy, don't worry - I totally agree it's an important feature.
Oddly enough, my own cheapo medion tablet doesn't have the problems you describe - the tablet mouse continues to work as a mouse even when tablet 2 midi is running. Unfortunately the mouse sucks, and I'm left handed, so my desk will remain crowded

[Improv]

Just tried with a usb2 mouse connected as well as the graphire4. Both work fine now!

Woot So it's working for you now? I didn't change anything here, must have been a glitch in your drivers...

Who knows? Maybe it was the relative air humidity? Or the altitude? Maybe what I had for dinner? Voodoo?

Thanks again for your help.

[fabi]

Just tried with a usb2 mouse connected as well as the graphire4. Both work fine now!

Woot So it's working for you now? I didn't change anything here, must have been a glitch in your drivers...

are there any sample layouts anywhere?

not yet, but eventually I'll create some + a user library area on the website.

I'll add the "break out" hotkey thingy, don't worry - I totally agree it's an important feature.
Oddly enough, my own cheapo medion tablet doesn't have the problems you describe - the tablet mouse continues to work as a mouse even when tablet 2 midi is running. Unfortunately the mouse sucks, and I'm left handed, so my desk will remain crowded

hehe, another leftie.
right now i am only using a wacom penpartner2 - it's unbelievably small, so maybe for precise drawing it's not the right thing, but it doesn't take away too much space and it's more than enough for use with the low midi resolution. plus, as i said i can put it left of my keyboard, mouse right of my keyboard and work a lot faster in drawing software.



i have another tablet, a huge DIN A3 one by aiptek - not as nice as the small wacom, but more usable when needing high resolution. i just couldn't justify the space it takes on my desk, though, for everyday use - and now that i got the tiny penpartner i do a lot more drawings etc, too.

[Eska]

Relative mode works fine in Reaktor.

[ohm]

Relative mode works fine in Reaktor.

excellent

[Eska]

When setting speed to notes I can trigger with "flying pen". I would not call this a bug, I like it!