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R.A.W. · Post by **R.A.W.** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:13 am

visa tapani wrote:
R.A.W. wrote:...making every VST plugin controllable with outboard controllers
Don't the majority of sequencers allow this in one way or another? I mean, I haven't bumped into many big sequencers where parameter automation would be much more clumsy - ProTools, Cubase et al all seem to do it pretty well...

of course there is automation in every host

but i meant that eXT is capable of converting midi-ccs to vst-automation data. and that makes it possible to control almost every plugin even when it's not directly using midi-cc as long as it got vst-parameters.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:51 am

R.A.W. wrote: but i meant that eXT is capable of converting midi-ccs to vst-automation data. and that makes it possible to control almost every plugin even when it's not directly using midi-cc as long as it got vst-parameters.

One of the reasons I'm still using Logic (even if it's not as comfortable as in eXT).

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:11 am

I never assumed that controlling a VST with a MIDI CC was considered a unique feature...! Don't many hosts allow this?

Converting CC to VST automation is nice, though. Haven't tried it myself, but in theory it's a good plan.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:26 am

Lunch Money wrote:I never assumed that controlling a VST with a MIDI CC was considered a unique feature...! Don't many hosts allow this?

In short: No, unless the VST(i) offers such things.

Converting CC to VST automation is nice, though. Haven't tried it myself, but in theory it's a good plan.

IMO for creative stuff it's even better to actually record MIDI data instead of automation data. Makes fooling around with quite some things easier.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:29 am

Oh, I've no doubt that it's cool and all, I just didn't think it was unique.

It's not usually the VSTi's job to allow MIDI-to-VST mapping, but rather, the host's, and I always assumed (apparently incorrectly) that it was a common feature.

Greg

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:39 am

Lunch Money wrote:Oh, I've no doubt that it's cool and all, I just didn't think it was unique. It's not usually the VSTi's job to allow MIDI-to-VST mapping, but rather, the host's, and I always assumed (apparently incorrectly) that it was a common feature.

See, for example, in Cubase, unless the VSTi allows for CC routing (like MIDI learn/assign), there's no chance to actually record things as MIDI data. Heck, there's not even the chance to record automation data, unless you're using "generic remote" - which just sucks on a per song base (it's a global setting, used to adjust hardware mixing controllers).

Now, let's assume we'd like to record some filter cutoff sweep, to emulate a wah or so.
Wouldn't it be just nice if you could simple timestretch it to, say, 50%, so our wah effect would be double as fast? Certainly...
This isn't possible with automation data (at least not in Logic or Cubase), but it's perfectly possible with recorded (MIDI) CC data.
Now, deal with a plugin not supporting this in Cubase and you'll have to miss out on that.

This is one of *the* key features why I'm using eXT as a subhost.
Things are allready possible in Logic, but it's WAY easier with eXT.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:03 pm

The Midi-cc to VST parameters is not very common but certainly not unique. FL Studio has this capability too and somebody already mentioned good old Logic.

Cheers!
bManic

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:07 pm

bmanic wrote:somebody already mentioned good old Logic.

don't do that round here...

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:18 pm

Did someone mention the patch generator yet?

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:25 pm

cptgone wrote:Did someone mention the patch generator yet?

I don't think so - just go ahead

paradiddle · Post by **paradiddle** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:42 pm

It's also a great sound design tool has you can record straight to audio while playing/tweaking.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:52 pm

jens wrote:
bmanic wrote:somebody already mentioned good old Logic.
don't do that round here...

It is funny how the "tabu sequencer of the month" changes. Whatever happened to Cubarse?

Cheers!
bManic

NAS · Post by **NAS** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:03 pm

Logic logic why did you have to mention Logic
I'll tell you about Logic........................
Only kiddin

Tabu sequencers i dont think so but then i'm old, Maybe you young uns like switching and changing, It's taken me years to move from T to EXT, I doubt i'll move again and i garauntee you can't name a sequencer i haven't used in the mainstream (Although i have used all the Amiga and Atari ones too)

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:12 pm

Maybe I'm more tolerant than most when it comes to sequencers as the one I used most was the built in Roland XP-50 sequencer. Now talk about pain in the ass..

Also, I wouldn't call good old Pro Tracker on the amiga very streamlined either.

Cheers!
bManic

respirator · Post by **respirator** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:49 pm

It enables Cubase users to reorder inserts (and all the other things + a quazillion more).

Ask the Cubase-part of your audience if they ever had a compressor and a delay in consecutive inserts and needs to get a distortion plug in between (or something). Not to mention parallel routing etc. etc.

And don't forget: XT is the nerds' program. Pro Tools is for the conservative ("I need a mixer" - "ITB sux") old timers, Cubase/Logic are for the serious/boring, Live etc. for the loo[p/n]ies and hip-hoppers. But XT is for the nerds

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