Cubase SX3 warp question

[straightouttacompton]

Should be an easy one for the experienced SX3 heads. Just upgraded to SX3 and I'm trying out the new warp function for some dance tracks, locking the tempo of the track to the project tempo and timestreching it.

How can I change the time-strech method to a simple 're-pitch' method (similar to the re-pitch timestrech method in Ableton Live)? All of the warp settings (drums, plucked, etc) all keep the pitch of the track the same by using slices etc to change the tempo which I find denegrates the sound quality.

I know I can use the standard time-stretch tool to change the tempo, but I want to do this non-destructively, and make subtle changes to the project tempo as well, so it needs to be done on the fly. I'm sure it's possible, just can't work out how.

Thanks

[bduffy]

I believe you change the pitch in the Track View, there's a setting on the Channel Info that changes it, ACID-style.

[straightouttacompton]

I must be missing somewhere here, can you be a bit more specific? The only other timestrech editor I can find is in the standard audio-editing window!

[bduffy]

I must be missing somewhere here, can you be a bit more specific? The only other timestrech editor I can find is in the standard audio-editing window!

Sorry, I don't have SX3 here (Nuendo 3 at work), but I mean in the main track view, there should be a setting somewhere in the track inspector...can't recall exactly, I haven't been able to explore Warp for some time now...I know there is the "real-time" algorithm that is used for clips on the timeline, yeah, crap, I can't remember. Can't find any info about it here. Sorry.

[straightouttacompton]

I can't find it if you find it when you get home (or if anyone else has a solution), please let me know.

Also looked over on the Cubase.net forums and a few other posts suggest there's no way of doing this, at least not in realtime. If this is the case, and it appears like it is, this is a howler from Cubase, I mean, surely a simple re-pitch time strech must be the easist form of time strech to implement?!

[bduffy]

I can't find it if you find it when you get home (or if anyone else has a solution), please let me know.

Also looked over on the Cubase.net forums and a few other posts suggest there's no way of doing this, at least not in realtime. If this is the case, and it appears like it is, this is a howler from Cubase, I mean, surely a simple re-pitch time strech must be the easist form of time strech to implement?!

OK, I just got in to work, I'll check this for you in a few minutes. I swear, when the rep was doing an SX3 demo last year, that he was showing us how you can easily, non-destructively, change pitch via the track controls....

Back in 5...

[straightouttacompton]

Did you have any luck? I've looked until I'm blue in the face to find a way of doing it and I am sure it's not possible but I would like nothing more than to be proved wrong

[bduffy]

Did I mention I had to record a voice over? Ha ha, sorry, I forgot.

No, no luck. What the hell am I thinking of??? I must've been dreaming.

Man, where are the SX 3 users? We need that guy who wrote the Cubase books...

[straightouttacompton]

Ha ha, yeah, there MUST be someone here that knows if it's do-able or not.

At the moment I'm left with the stark choice between using Cubase but not being able to timestrech, or using Ableton and putting up with it's cumbersome, fiddly interface. Boo!

At this stage I'd even happily make destructive edits on tracks to sort it out, but in SX3 you can't timestrech *and* change the pitch. You can pitchshift without time correction, but you can only change a track by semitones & cents, not BPM.

[ahja]

In the Track Info bar (the black with white text bar) in your project window... the info will appear when you select a audio part, or midi part. There is a option almost at the end called Transpose... You also have a 'Fine' option. Here you will find what you need.

If you don't see the black and white info bar, you may have to get into your preferences to make it appear...

[bduffy]

Ha ha, yeah, there MUST be someone here that knows if it's do-able or not.

At the moment I'm left with the stark choice between using Cubase but not being able to timestrech, or using Ableton and putting up with it's cumbersome, fiddly interface. Boo!

At this stage I'd even happily make destructive edits on tracks to sort it out, but in SX3 you can't timestrech *and* change the pitch. You can pitchshift without time correction, but you can only change a track by semitones & cents, not BPM.

Sure you can - it's in the Timestretch dialogue. You mean destructive?

[straightouttacompton]

Got that now, but it doesn't change the tempo, only the pitch.

I want to be able to change the pitch AND tempo, akin to sticking a record on a deck and speeding it up.

[straightouttacompton]

Sure you can - it's in the Timestretch dialogue. You mean destructive?

Yep... but using the destructive timestrech, it always stretches with pitch correction. There isn't (as far as I can see) a way to 'turn off' pitch correction.

[bduffy]

Got that now, but it doesn't change the tempo, only the pitch.

I want to be able to change the pitch AND tempo, akin to sticking a record on a deck and speeding it up.

Hmmm...don't think that is possible...you can have a set pitch-change and the tempo will change according to the master tempo track, but, yeah, I don't think you can do the vinyl thing...

[Bas]

If you want to stretch and change pitch at the same time then you can use the resample dialog (functions menu).

That may not be intuitive for matching lengths but does both functions in one hit.

Using the pitch shift function with the time correction checkbox left unchecked also works in a similar manner.

As the real-time stretch is made to keep pitch the transpose settings on the Info bar for a selected event can be used to change the pitch on playback.