*sold*

[Kriminal]

I used to use OctaMed on the amiga years ago, im not going back to that.

Anyway, search is over, i have all the info i need thanks.

Cool. There is a recent port/version of that as well if you ever get nostalgic. Glad you found your answers in all the mess. Let us know what you choose in the end

i did actually try a PC version back in 2000/1 but it was very buggy, i may have a look if i ever feel like a trip down memory lane

[spaceman]

I was very pleasantly surprised by renoise
having said that, all I came up with were dodgy trance lines I threw away again

might suit you

[Kriminal]

I was very pleasantly surprised by renoise
having said that, all I came up with were dodgy trance lines I threw away again

might suit you

cheeky cow

[arke]

Why, may I ask do you hate ImageLine so much? If you could set your personal feelings aside, what it seems that you are asking for is FLStudio. It's just like orion but quite a bit more going on than orion; which /could/ be a bad thing..

Good luck.

Its because I use FLStudio.

[spaceman]

I was very pleasantly surprised by renoise
having said that, all I came up with were dodgy trance lines I threw away again

might suit you

cheeky cow

at times like these it's good to have half of england between us

[headquest]

Ive decided on Pro Tools.

As pattern based hosts go, it stands head and shoulders above Ableton, FL, et al.

Well done.

[grymmjack]

Ive decided on Pro Tools.

Does that support patterns/grid based stuff as you requested?

do you support sarcasm?

Yea I don't know him well enough to know if he's joking. I assumed he was considering my limited knowledge of ProTools didn't include it's ability to do patterns/playlists.

Jokes on me, eh?

[The Chase]

Why, may I ask do you hate ImageLine so much? If you could set your personal feelings aside, what it seems that you are asking for is FLStudio. It's just like orion but quite a bit more going on than orion; which /could/ be a bad thing..

Good luck.

Its because I use FLStudio.

me too. I dont know why he hates fruity users so much. My vote goes to JEALOUSY

[arke]

Why, may I ask do you hate ImageLine so much? If you could set your personal feelings aside, what it seems that you are asking for is FLStudio. It's just like orion but quite a bit more going on than orion; which /could/ be a bad thing..

Good luck.

Its because I use FLStudio.

me too. I dont know why he hates fruity users so much. My vote goes to JEALOUSY

Yeah. We FL users have better routing, more simplicity, and we get the chicks.

[Kriminal]

Yeah. We FL users have better spouting, are simplicity personified, and we get the dicks.

[CypherOne]

who's average age is 19...

[Kriminal]

ba da bing!

[BONES]

I had to go back to an old song tonight and after about 30 minutes of having it choke on old VSTs that I don't keep around anymore

What "choke"? If it cannot find a VST/i it prompts you to show it where you moved it to or to select a replacement VST/i for it. If you don't select anything it loads a Sampler as a place-holder. What better way of handling missing plugins could there possibly be?

the bug where it locks up while editing notes during playback bit me once again.

Have you ever bothered to report it? Because its never, ever happenned to me so I wouldn't have. It won't get fixed if Rich doesn't know about it or if none of the rest of use can reproduce it.

Why does he keep adding anything to this program when it won't let you do the most basic thing without a sense of paranoia.

Probably because the vast majority of us don't have that paranoia. I only save soemthin gbefore I close it and I never lose work.

It needs to be stable first.

It has been for years.

Not to mention that fact you still can't change your mind about what VST you want to use without copying and pasting your entire pattern set and then wasting time re-inputting the arrangement in song mode. Good Lord!!! What a joke.

Or selecting "Receive MIDI input from..." and choosing another instrument. Not to mention that "copying and pasting your entire pattern set" requires no more effort than copying a single pattern. I do it very frequently and don't find it in any way annoying or time-consuming. But we wouldn't want to cloud this discussion with facts, now would we?

orion is a peice of shit, just as i said a long time ago on the yahoo groups. muzys was the clear choice back then, but most morons chose to stay and listen to what bones and crew had to say. look where you all are now!

As opposed to where all you lucky Muzys users are?

and why wouldn't you have it with IL? they're very professional. if you use proper ways to report bugs, they are very responsive.

Unless you happen to say anything they don't like. In that case they have a proven track record of deregistering users.

b.t.w.: Bones music isn't exactly complex, you know? You could make it easily on almost anything.

No you couldn't. You couldn't come close. Anyway, what has complexity to do with anything? I could make my production process as convoluted as anyone's if I chose to, what difference would that make? I could put 24 inserts on a single sound if I needed to and run everything through sub-groups and sidechain my compressors [and even the filter in the Sampler] and whatever but it wouldn't help. In fact it would be more likely to have the opposite effect, regardless of my choice of host.

flexibilty surely means allowing complexity, desn't it? (because if it does not allow complexity it is not flexible)

In much the same way that my choice not to involve complexity does not preclude ORION from being able to provide it.

and it's f**king bollocks anyway.. the mixer and bus system is -eventhough it alows for a usable amount of routing freedom for some music- a complete f**king joke compared to Sonar or Logic or Cubase

The mixer and bus system as far more elegant than anything else I have ever seen in software. The process is functionally identical to using a big studio desk but I imagine you have never seen one of those. If you want to compare it spreadsheet musical applications and find it an ill fit, I would say that devalues your opinion more than somewhat and tends to reinforce mine.

yes, your music (much more than Bones') proves that you can get along with it, depending on what music you are making - that hoewever doesn't make e.g. Shane's sentiments less valid and they are restrictions e.g. I could never live with...

Except that Shane is wrong, or at best misleading in his comments. And what is that second "e.g." about?

[M'Snah]

the bug where it locks up while editing notes during playback bit me once again.

Have you ever bothered to report it? Because its never, ever happenned to me so I wouldn't have. It won't get fixed if Rich doesn't know about it or if none of the rest of use can reproduce it.

Why does he keep adding anything to this program when it won't let you do the most basic thing without a sense of paranoia.

Probably because the vast majority of us don't have that paranoia. I only save soemthin gbefore I close it and I never lose work.

It needs to be stable first.

It has been for years.

Actually the lockup while editing a note was more or less my first experience too, after buying OP (because guys like BONES and others are very enthusiastic about it and the pattern-based paradigm fits my workflow). So far every session with OP I've had at least 1 crash. That means after 1 week of using it, I consider it another learning experience, but not a stable tool to create songs with.

[BONES]

Yet I literally cannot remember the last time ORION had any kind of crash that meant losing work. I get lots of crashes during instrument development but that is invariably related to skrewing around too much with instruments until the stored presets are so far removed from the current instrument that they cause ORION to fall over. I would never expect an application to be that forgiving of my stupidity. And its always a clean crash, just restart and go again. Beyond that it is probably a year or two since I had any kind of stability issue, since Rich fixed the old song issue in v5 or 5.1 or something and that never caused me to lose work.