Im agnostic, can I use your synth?

[bduffy]

Anyone who is a real Christian cares about and for other people.

Does this statement imply that others, like me, don't?

___

The idea that I'm asked by the developer of any kind of software to do or not do something with it is disturbing and quite provoking.
I'm all for respecting people's life choices, but that works better as a two-way affair.

I don't think that's what he was getting at.

Although the funny thing is: Christians are clearly commanded to kill non-believers. It's just kind of ignored nowadays.

[dreamtheater]

Anyone who is a real Christian cares about and for other people.

Does this statement imply that others, like me, don't?

No, it doesn't. That's what you've interpreted. Else I would have written: 'only Christians care...'. "By their fruit you will recognise them" (Matthew 7,16; distinguishing Christians from Pseudo-Christians).

[dreamtheater]

Anyone who is a real Christian cares about and for other people.

Does this statement imply that others, like me, don't?

___

The idea that I'm asked by the developer of any kind of software to do or not do something with it is disturbing and quite provoking.
I'm all for respecting people's life choices, but that works better as a two-way affair.

I don't think that's what he was getting at.

Although the funny thing is: Christians are clearly commanded to kill non-believers. It's just kind of ignored nowadays.

Please tell us what text you're referring to, rather that FUDding around.

[bduffy]

Anyone who is a real Christian cares about and for other people.

Does this statement imply that others, like me, don't?

___

The idea that I'm asked by the developer of any kind of software to do or not do something with it is disturbing and quite provoking.
I'm all for respecting people's life choices, but that works better as a two-way affair.

I don't think that's what he was getting at.

Although the funny thing is: Christians are clearly commanded to kill non-believers. It's just kind of ignored nowadays.

Please tell us what text you're referring to, rather that FUDding around.

I think there's more than one example, but I'm swamped today. I shouldn't goad you on like this either, I apologize - but it's only recently been brought to my attention:

Deuteronomy 17
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

EDIT: Found some more:

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5

[dr. orange]

Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ. Realize that the only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and don't make others to lose it!

I am usually very differenciated, but in this case, I don't have to consider much: This is f**king childish and an evidence of incapacity

[JerGoertz]

I'm personally not a Christian (in particular I'm a recovering ex-Xtian), but I would respect Paul's wishes to not use his synth in non-Xtian music UNLESS such provisions are superceded/invalidated by the GPL license scheme he's released it under.

I also would have a little difficulty knowing for sure whether certain music I'd make is "anti-Xtian" or not. I think this is the spirit of this thread's original question? In situations like this, where the conditions of use have some grey area or seem a bit too restrictive I generally just pass on whatever's offered; it's not worth the headache and hassle to me.

[Liquidclear]

That was during the time of God's covenant with Irseal...the law.

But, that aside here's one my favorite passage of scripture, that I strive to live by. You don't see much of it today, in Christiandom.

11. Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy. 12 Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
(Revelation 22:11 and 12)

[bduffy]

That was during the time of God's covenant with Irseal...the law.

But, that aside here's one my favorite passage of scripture, that I strive to live by. You don't see much of it today, in Christiandom.

11. Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy. 12 Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
(Revelation 22:11 and 12)

...and the reward is to instantly save all believers and destory all the non-believers!

So is it God's law or not? You can't have it both ways.

[Hovmod]

hpc

[rockstar_not]

Deuteronomy 17
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

I promised I would stay out of this one - but here goes.....

The quote above is from the Old Testament, 'the Law'. Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. Here's the quote from Matthew 5:17, Jesus words, not mine:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

The Old Testament was about how to get to heaven by following a quite complicated set of laws, some of which are admittedly pretty extreme - like the one you've shown above.

By fulfilling those laws, Jesus removed quite a bit of the obligation to following those laws and certainly set an example against many of them - for which the religious establishment were constantly on his case for; whether it was healing somebody on the Sabbath (supposedly 'doing work' and not keeping it holy) or his disciples not ceremoniously washing their hands before eating, or eating at the home of a tax collector, etc.

It's been said that the etymology of the word 'Christian' can mean a few things: 1. Imitator of Christ, or 2. 'Little' Christ, or 3. Follower of Christ.

There is no written record of Christ stoning anyone - in fact he saved at least one woman from suffering that death.

The point is, that if you are going to make claims about what Christians are supposed to do and not do, at least get the facts straight. Christians are not supposed to kill non-Christians.

-Scott

[djsubject]

I refuse to accept Jesus Christ as my Savior,

so how is that agnostic?

youll find the definition of agnostic here.

getting old yet?

[bduffy]

hpc

Yeah totally. Can you request to be moved?

[toine6]

I'm going to make a deeply dark and anti-religious song using this ZynAddSubFX P.O.S., and I'm gonna make a Eula that states that the author and anyone else agreeing with his Eula is not allowed to listen to my song, therefore there should never be any problems as I have prohibited the author and anyone agreeing with it from ever listening.

[ouroboros]

that is a misquote (2 post above) of Mark 6:11, btw?

[Meffy]

hpc

You know that song "Going to California in My Mind?" This thread has already Gone to Hyde Park Corner in My Mind. :-D I wish it well on its journey across the Blue Ridge Mountains, and I never 'spect to see it any mooooore.

P.S.: I look forward to johnnytluxury's next exciting thread, "PCs suck, Macs rool, u r dum!!!!!!" and expect it to get as much custom as this one.