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putte · Post by **putte** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:22 pm

.. a RE-201 is a RE-201. and there are a lot of people like me who really love this unit.
sure, there are other tapedelays outthere, and very good ones. though, a RE-201 is a RE-201 ..

And, to me, UAD always does a fantastic job in capturing these old audiomachines .. and so they did again with the space echo.

putte

Tony Ostinato · Post by **Tony Ostinato** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:07 pm

For a closer competition id say digitalis over dubb box, they both use the same pitch shift feedback regeneration technique which has nothing to do with how a real space echo regenerates its feedback.

if i was forced to use a native alternative thatd probably be digitalis.

people who think they are gonna buy the real unit make sure you have a supply of tapes and a good repair place. you might wanna practice changing the tape real fast too in case your in a session and it breaks.

multree · Post by **multree** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:20 pm

putte wrote:a RE-201 is a RE-201

are you sure about that ?

WillieJenkins · Post by **WillieJenkins** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:28 pm

I used to agree with this statement more then I do now.

shamann wrote:But as the saying goes, if less is more, just think how much more more will be.

I agree with you, it can be a benefit to get good sounds quickly when there are limits on pilot error opportunities. But many other times, the problem is that every one who uses it sounds exactly the same (this is where you get "that classic sound" recognition). Me personally, I never met a classic sound I was happy with, but I can see/hear the merits when applied to others' music.

In the case of the Space echo plugin though, looks like they put enough in there to make it versatile still.

My own perspective is that as musicians and artists, we need to work to whatever level allows to freely and creatively express ourselves in whichever way we feel comfortable. For myself, coming from an acoustic music background, all the tweaking and fiddling and messing about with synth settings, effect boxes, midi sequences and whatnot really bog my "musical creativity" level down, which would result in finely grained detailed sounding shite.

These days I tend to just want things setup so I can sit down and get great "music" down, and I can worry about all the fiddly bits of minutia later on. (Or with how much time work has taken from my music making, never getting to it at all

).

So to make a short story long, I agree, if your workflow is such that digging into the details of every effect/synth parameter allows you to still be creative musically, then more is indeed more. But for others, sometimes it may just bog them down. Both approaches seem valid in my book

(I'm not saying you disagree btw).

-Eric

Z3R0T0N1N · Post by **Z3R0T0N1N** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:44 pm

Tony Ostinato wrote:For a closer competition id say digitalis over dubb box, they both use the same pitch shift feedback regeneration technique which has nothing to do with how a real space echo regenerates its feedback.

if i was forced to use a native alternative thatd probably be digitalis.

people who think they are gonna buy the real unit make sure you have a supply of tapes and a good repair place. you might wanna practice changing the tape real fast too in case your in a session and it breaks.

the comparison stk is proposing is not dubb box vs uad re 201, it is a real re 201 vs the uad re201. he has a real one, and will compare recording of the uad plugin to it.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:46 pm

WillieJenkins wrote:I'm not saying you disagree btw

And I don't, I can see the value either way. I was being mildly cheeky with the more is more stuff.

I would like to hear some of the more extreme settings on the UAD-1 plugin though, so if anyone wants to give it a go, please feel encouraged. Also wouldn't mind hearing stk's suggested percussion hit tests.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:47 pm

Does it have a "break" parameter, emulating the sounds coming out of that thing when you opened it and manually stopped the reels?
In case you've ever seen Bill Frisell live, you may know what I'm talking about...
If they allowed for such a thing that'd be quite something.

stk · Post by **stk** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:32 pm

WillieJenkins wrote:
stk wrote:Hey, anyone willing to post an mp3 of various sharp-transient (ie snare, kick, hats) hits thru the UA Space Echo, and also post the dry hits?

I'd like to a-b them with the real deal. I'll post the results.

If anyone's up for it, maybe pick a snare, kick, sidestick & closed hat and run them thru the Verb by itself, and then a few (simple) echos.

I'll try to match the settings here and see how it compares. All in the interests of science, yeah?

thanks,
sk
I can try this sometime later today. One thing is that we should do the tests with the "new" and the "beat up" tape settings, as they sampled tapes with various wear on them. (this is on my end).

Thanks. I have a fairly old tape in my unit (I like it that way) so the realthing samples will be limited to this.

WillieJenkins wrote:There are enough people at teh uaudio forums who are saying its damn close to the real thing that this test isn't really needed, but it should be fun nonetheless

I'm more interested from a purely abstract point of view, I'm not interested in attempting to "dethrone" the UAD or anything..

cheers,
sk

stk · Post by **stk** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:42 am

Sascha Franck wrote:Does it have a "break" parameter, emulating the sounds coming out of that thing when you opened it and manually stopped the reels?

Even more important is a "swift kick" button, to get the old boom-splash from knocking the box!

sk

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:50 am

stk wrote: Even more important is a "swift kick" button, to get the old boom-splash from knocking the box!

Yeah. I miss that from Guitar Rigs spring reverb (which is pretty good, btw) as well.
There's just nothing like a good old Twin spanking.

Z3R0T0N1N · Post by **Z3R0T0N1N** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:52 am

i was spanked by twins once

double ouch!

heheheh.

Cyprus · Post by **Cyprus** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:06 am

I've been looking at getting a UAD-1 forever...but I hate their packages. Flexipak is too bare, Studio PAK doesn't have enough plug-ins for 900 bucks, the Ultra Pak is great but is missing some really great plug-ins as well.

Maybe they'll come out with a Ultra-for-real Pak that gives you everything someday.

*grumble*

stk · Post by **stk** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:06 am

Yeah. I miss that from Guitar Rigs spring reverb (which is pretty good, btw) as well.

Now I think of it, a "f**k the tape's broken and I've so got a killer D.Lynch guitar lick to pull out right now" switch, and a "what the f**k is that horrible squalling noise? Somebody make it stop before I devour my fingertips" knob would be sweet.

Right, off the the skunklabs I go.

sk

tech44 · Post by **tech44** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:09 pm

I just watched the video demo and must say I think the spring reverb is a huge plus, especially if you're into dub. I mean, is there even another realistic spring reverb emulation out there?

tech44 · Post by **tech44** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:20 pm

also..does anyone have the d/l link for the arcdev?

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