Damnit, I knew Live 5 had to have an achilles heel somewhere

[Sascha Franck]

Incidentally, in Logic 5+ you can edit track-based automation using the standard automation features, but also open the automation folder and edit/transform/cutpaste/loop it etc like conventional MIDI data as well - *and* you can also use standard midi controlls in the usual way. Pretty flexible.

The automation folder in 5.x isn't working as intended on a variety of occasions. I'm too lazy to check for right now, but please believe me. Has been the number one reason for a whole bunch of my last bug reports back in the days. At least it made me stop entirely to bother with it at all.
I can only hope that there's something similar to eXT whenever I get my MacBook (should be in autumn). Fortunately NIs Kore is looking promising.
Having said that, it's too bad you can't use the plugins coming with Logic in any other environment. Their internal MIDI implementation simply sucks ass majorly, no matter how you put it.

[dusted william]

for me the main problem with LIve is that you CAN'T turn off PDC once it is on. If I am mixing a track with a bunch of plugs that use PDC and I need to add some guitar or vox I have to DELETE all plugs that introduct delay to do what I want.

f**k it pisses me off.

does anyone know a workaround with this?

dw

[Synthbuilder]

for me the main problem with LIve is that you CAN'T turn off PDC once it is on.

I can't say I have noticed this at all. Once PDC is turned off, everything sort of swings back to its usual off kilter timing again. This would seem to suggest that the delay compensation is indeed off.

I'll have an investigation tonight.

The one thing that pisses me off about live is I can't have overlapping clips on the same track.

Actually, another minor niggle: I can't use many VST midi plugins. Live seems to think that any midiplug is a VSTi and requires it to have an audio affect next to make it work.

Oh, and, of course, there's the damn rewire midi output problem. But I have the Abe's on that one for me

Tony

[spectrum]

Yeah...128 is a big limitation for automation.

Stylus RMX has more than 20,000 automatable parameters!

We really wish more hosts could support this level. Works very well in Cubase SX, but most only do about a hundred parameters, which is really limiting with something as powerful as the edit groups in Stylus RMX.

[FaX]

Since I bought it, Live 5 has transformed my studio, I've never made so much music or been able to capture so many moments of inspiration with any other sequencer, and I've tried most of them.

Unfortunately, I've just found its achilles heel, and it's a bad one ...

It only sees the first 128 automation parameters in a VST.

That means for software like Arturia CS80, which has WAY more than 128 automatable parameters, you can't automate a significant number of the controls, and unfortunately, many of them are exactly the sorts of things you would want to automate.

Arturia have said it's very unlikely this limit will change, so it's obviously a downside of their controller implementation. They've intimated that they might look at letting you choose which 128 parameters it can "see", which would work too, but I doubt it's a high priority.

Damn, damn, damn. For a while there, I thought it was perfect

If anybody can think of a workaround, I'm all ears!

Yes it is a problem and really who needs too control more than 128 parameters simultaneously?
That said you need access to them none the less.
Personally I think most plug in developers could take a leaf out of Dimension Pro's midi matrix IMHO.
You essentially have a list of Midi CC's in the Mod matrix.
Assign a Midi CC (as mod source) and then assign it too freely control whatever parameters you wish to tweak (mod destination).
This also includes + and - polarity modulation with amount setting & a smoothing parameter with amount setting also.
This gets saved on a per patch basis and means you still get the option of having access to every possible parameter you wish to tweek per patch.
Too me it works better than a drop down 128 parameter menu in LIVE as it makes each patch fully customiseable for the end user.
It also means you can map a set number of Midi CC's to say your UC33 or whatever.
Then just use those CC's to control whatever parameter it is you wish too in Dimension Pro.
You can then tweak and record in Live's overdub mode in realtime and you don't have to worry about reassigning controller templates per patch.
It's a damn logical way of working that I'm suprised others haven't adopted.
If it was universal on all VSti's and saved on a per patch Basis like DimPro you could just have as stated a generic CC map on your controller .
All your VSTi's and VST's would then have the CC too parameter Midi matrix that saves to each patch and you'd have global control over all devices with minimal fuss and recall.

[dusted william]

I can't say I have noticed this at all. Once PDC is turned off, everything sort of swings back to its usual off kilter timing again. This would seem to suggest that the delay compensation is indeed off.

you have got to walk me through how you do this.

I think I'm doing it right, but maybe not. this is my main and really my only beef with live5

thanks,

dw