what does a DAW for $2500?

[SonicBreeze]

Insanity...

I was about to start this same thread today.. About rediculously priced software that is not better than stuff way cheaper. And is entirely unpopular.. I wonder why devs dont drop the price if noone uses it.. Which noone does around here.

I very much doubt *this* is the intended market. And why do you keep referring to the guy from Herman's Hermits?

do *this* means KVR here?
Yeah you are right. KVRians are nomally sane and intelligent people.

[crimsonwarlock]

Insanity...

I was about to start this same thread today.. About rediculously priced software that is not better than stuff way cheaper. And is entirely unpopular.. I wonder why devs dont drop the price if noone uses it.. Which noone does around here.

I very much doubt *this* is the intended market. And why do you keep referring to the guy from Herman's Hermits?

do *this* means KVR here?
Yeah you are right. KVRians are nomally sane and intelligent people.

If you put a little thought into it you might even 'get it'

But I'll help you a little: a program with this pricing is clearly aimed at people that are capable of actually paying such amounts of money for their software. In most (software) cases that means people that use the software professionally (as in 'commercially'). SAW is mainly aimed at the professional market and this market is happy to pay for it (hence the reason it won't NEED to have a real cheap version), and here's the reason why (as far as I have heard from actual SAW users): SAW is INCREDIBLY stable and in this regard miles ahead of anything and everything else available. Combine that with it's great performance and you might understand that professional studios are willing to pay such an amount of money for DAW-software. Crash your software a few times during a project and the financial damage is soon in the same range as the price of SAW. If I would have a professional commercial studio I would certainly pay that amount of money to get THAT level of stability and performance.

And as there seems not to be too many owners of commercial studios running around here at KVR you also might get what woc53 meant by 'I very much doubt *this* is the intended market'.

[deaf dunderkwac]

It is intended as an 'everything audio' hence it's real competition is PT.

I prefer to work with stuff that doesn't crash, but at home I can only afford what I use.
Since I don't play live, this isn't an issue (save often blah blah)
That said, I rarely crashe. But I still save often blah blah.
repeatively
and often

my only experience with saw was setting up the audio interfaces for someone else.

[woc53]

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[crimsonwarlock]

@woc53: just out of interest, does SAWstudio work with a control surface like a Mackie control?

[woc53]

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[AndrewSimon]

Just a few comments.

Both pro studio owners and famous musicians visit KVR.
They might not hang here "a lot" but they are definitely aware of this site and visit it from time to time.

SAW is NOT "just for pro studio owners", there is a basic $300 version as well.

I tried the demo and was impressed by it's "speed".
So am I going to buy it?
Nope!..... once you get spoiled by Tracktions simplicity, nothing else will do.

[SonicBreeze]

If you put a little thought into it you might even 'get it'

But I'll help you a little: a program with this pricing is clearly aimed at people that are capable of actually paying such amounts of money for their software. In most (software) cases that means people that use the software professionally (as in 'commercially'). SAW is mainly aimed at the professional market and this market is happy to pay for it (hence the reason it won't NEED to have a real cheap version), and here's the reason why (as far as I have heard from actual SAW users): SAW is INCREDIBLY stable and in this regard miles ahead of anything and everything else available. Combine that with it's great performance and you might understand that professional studios are willing to pay such an amount of money for DAW-software. Crash your software a few times during a project and the financial damage is soon in the same range as the price of SAW. If I would have a professional commercial studio I would certainly pay that amount of money to get THAT level of stability and performance.

And as there seems not to be too many owners of commercial studios running around here at KVR you also might get what woc53 meant by 'I very much doubt *this* is the intended market'.

what for the basic and lite version then?

@AndrewSimon: you beat me to that

[SonicBreeze]

SAWStudio is a hand-coded, giant virtual mixing board/multitrack with studio-quality EQ, compressors, and gates in each channel. It is the fastest, most efficient, and reliable app of its kind (IMHO, of course). If you report a bug, the developer is known to stay up most of the night fixing it (*no* exaggeration).

You have made some good points. But again the 'fastest','most efficeint' and 'reliable'- these words are subjective and dependent on other things. Most of the high-end softwares are shipping with these words today and not to mention more HQ plugins than SAW offers.

I definitely appreciate the developer's concern about the bugs. it is a rare thing with other biggies.

[Improv]

I think the default skin is ugly as hell (sorry Bob), but there are many incredible bitmaps out there that are really quite beautiful and effective.

Any links to these incredible skins?

I ask because the shades here:

http://www.sawstudio.com/SAWStudioShades.htm

look like horrible, like a bad psychadelic nightmare! Yuck!

[OMU]

I don't think it can host vsti-s (midi tracks).
It's conceived as an audio/hdd recording app.

[SJ_Digriz]

I think many of you are missing the central point Crimsonwarlock is making. The app is not a compositional workspace. It is a studio interface. I'm over simplifying a little, but one of the reasons you don't see "features" is because you think in terms of musical creativity, not commercial production. They are hugely different things. The day you spend 12->20 hours a day sitting in front of consoles mixing/mastering commericals, TV shows, radio spots, commercial CDs.... you can begin to judge this application.

If you are going to sit at home with some VST and an audio interface trying to compose songs or record your garage band, or even have a small studio built around an application like Cubase/Logic/Tracktion, you are not comparing the same things.

[SJ_Digriz]

By the way, think about why Steinberg added Studio Control stuff to Nuendo when 99% of all posts are about silly stuff like better warp, folder tracks, <insert your acid live5 audio manipulation feature here>, etc, etc,.........

My guess is that all of the looper features are considered to be for a flaky, hard to support, hard to please community that doesn't make them much revenue, while the guys who are going to buy 20 copies of Nuendo are just talking to them direct and saying "We'll buy if you do xxxxxxxxxx"

[jackson]

Yep, this is KvR - the land where there are debates on a regular basis as to what makes an individual "professional". If you have to ask, you don't need a program like SAW.

[woc53]

Most of the high-end softwares are shipping with these words today and not to mention more HQ plugins than SAW offers.

I definitely appreciate the developer's concern about the bugs. it is a rare thing with other biggies.

Words are words, true. Only you can discover that for yourself. As to "more HQ plugins." I am a registered user of most of the majors, and I can't for the life of me think of what you're referring to. Cubase/Sonar? (that's a laugh.) Sonar? Good stuff but not even close. Samp? Close, but I think SAWStudio's EQ and dynamics are better.

Anyway that's what YMMV is all about.