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Dominus · Post by **Dominus** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:37 pm

Another question.. if I decided to go the Toneport way and sell my Guitar Port, the Amps and such are tied to my Line 6 account, right?

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:23 pm

Not exactly. You have an account which "tracks" your licenses, but they're actually tied to your unit. That doesn't mean they're stuck there, though-- you use the Line 6 Monkey to transfer them out of your Guitar Port, and then into your TonePort.

Greg

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:33 pm

Lunch Money wrote:- TonePort does NOT have all the PODxt models. The "Power Pack" add-on, which is $100, brings the TonePort up to PODxt status. This is entirely seperate from the 3-pack of "Metal, Classic, FX." 2 different things. The second bundle is also $100, bringing your total to $200 for a maxxed out TonePort.

- That "all presets in one" thing is weird. I don't know why they did it like that! It DOES seem to slow down preset selection, though I had put it down to the fact that I was also batch-converting MP3s. I'll give'er a go later to see whassap.

- You cannot record a wet AND a dry simultaneously from a TonePort without some trickery. This is frankly ridiculous on the part of Line6. They market it as their "recording interface", but yet they don't include one of the most-needed features for a recording musician, natively? Pure oversight and craziness. However, not one to be stopped at something silly like that, I bought a signal splitter + DI (to match impedance) and now use the instrument + mic ports to accomplish this goal.

It also allows me to play 2 amps at once, or select between them. Which is good fun.

- Re-amping is currently ridiculous. It doesn't recognize its "internal" signal as an input, and therefore you need to PHYSICALLY cable up the unit in order to do re-amping. Sillier than silly, but at least you can do it.

Right now I'm doing my best to record the perfect wet tone so that I never have to go through the hassle. But I DO record a dry signal as well in case I want to re-amp or use some future whiz-bang plug-in that sounds great.

The differences between the GuitarPort and the TonePort are many, and yet depending on your purposes they are few. If you ONLY want to record guitar with it, you might be just as well off with the GuitarPort!

Greg

Thanks for the research/feedback. I'll stick with my GP and order the powerpack next ;0

What I was hoping for was the toneport to be a sort of outboard effects blackbox for guitar, with VST control. That would be the best solution IMO. Still provide a standalone version but also a VST one with automation, and recording dry signal and using toneport to put effects outboard and control them all through a VST interface.

That would be the bomb. Sort of like amplitube/guitarrig/guitarport hybrid. I'm frankly shocked and amazed that such a beast does not yet exist.

Guitar Rig doesn't have any outboard hardwawre processing, nor does the Waves GTR, nor does line6 or amplitube or anyone that I have seen. It would be a perfect thing for L6 to do at this stage in the game. TBH, L6 has proven itself to be cutting edge in my book and every product they release is better and better. The L6 philosophy would rock VST world.

@Dominius: Dude did you buy the powerpack yet? Also can you confirm the slowdown in patch browser and so on if you did? Assuming they did the same thing with the powerpack as they did the 3pack.

Thinking, didn't L6 release a TDM plug to compete with amplitube?

Dominus · Post by **Dominus** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:49 pm

grymmjack wrote:
@Dominius: Dude did you buy the powerpack yet? Also can you confirm the slowdown in patch browser and so on if you did? Assuming they did the same thing with the powerpack as they did the 3pack.

Thinking, didn't L6 release a TDM plug to compete with amplitube?

Not yet, was planning on doing it in the next week or so. Gotta sell a few more things off to pay for other things..

And Line 6's Amp Farm was the first software based amp I believe..

"LINE 6 Announces Guitar Recording Plug-In for TDM

September 26, 1997

LINE 6, a division of Fast Forward Designs Inc., announces the new AMP FARM Guitar recording plug-in for TDM. Utilizing the patent pending TubeTone(TM) technology in the TEC Award-nominated AxSys 212 Digital Guitar system...."

chrishurley · Post by **chrishurley** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:10 pm

Its kinda funny that the Classic Pack includes Line 6 models... :) I bought the metal shop and returned it because I knew I wanted some of the other models that were available in the other 2 sets (not the power pack sets), but I wasn't sure which. The FX pack seems like mostly a throw-away so far, but its free with the other two.

I also bought the power pack set and will make a call about which I want to keep before the 30 days is up. Returning a pack wasn't too hard except you can only return EVERYTHING on one invoice. Fortunately, they tell you up front so that you can just do separate purchases.

Wish they had more packs to buy, or at least more granularity in the packs they already have (so you didn't have to buy a bunch of amps you don't want)

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:35 am

Indeed, Chris! I bought the Classic Pack (did I mention that in this thread yet?) and also found it very funny that there are Line6 models. If you look at the literature, though, it's pretty cool-- the models still just mix and match one amp pre (say, a Twin) with another amp's power amp (say, a Bassman) for a new combo. So, not really "classic", but a combination of classics.

I really like the Classic pack so far, and I'm not likely to return it. I might "audition" the Power Pack, too, though, since ultimately it comes with more.

FX, I agree, are pretty much a throwaway. It's tempting to get the metal pack (and then the FX would be 'free' anyhow), too, but I hardly do any high-gain, and when I do, layering Marshall-based stuff like the JCM-800 (already on tap with the TonePort out of the box) and the "Insane" model gets me happy enough.

Greg

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:57 pm

Sorry to rehash this old thread, but I am considering buying a toneport, but only if you actually do the DSP /on/ the toneport -- I want my CPU cycles saved for tracktion/vsts. Does toneport do the processing or is it basically a guitarport with mic pres, and a di?

Would someone who owns a toneport please post screenshots of the interface for driver, mixer, and editor? Is it the same as guitar port?

Thanks in advance guys

billybk1 · Post by **billybk1** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:11 pm

grymmjack wrote:Sorry to rehash this old thread, but I am considering buying a toneport, but only if you actually do the DSP /on/ the toneport -- I want my CPU cycles saved for tracktion/vsts. Does toneport do the processing or is it basically a guitarport with mic pres, and a di?

The TonePort has no on-board DSP. All processing is done by your computer CPU.

Cheers,

Billy Buck

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:21 pm

billybk1 wrote:
grymmjack wrote:Sorry to rehash this old thread, but I am considering buying a toneport, but only if you actually do the DSP /on/ the toneport -- I want my CPU cycles saved for tracktion/vsts. Does toneport do the processing or is it basically a guitarport with mic pres, and a di?
The TonePort has no on-board DSP. All processing is done by your computer CPU.

Cheers,

Billy Buck

I guess we will never get a device that does DSP external to PC and just has some form of integrated computer interface.. What I want is a toneport that does DSP itself and has a VSTi interface much like the kick ass POD PXE that project x made (of course this uses MIDI but..)

Jafo · Post by **Jafo** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:41 pm

Re: the singlke-file packs...

The binaries being with FORM, analogous to the PK of ZIP files, 7Z of 7-zip files, etc. This leads me to believe that it is indeed a proprietary compression scheme. The Linux-loving geek in me rebels, but for Windows utterly rules the things I want to do, so...

Anyway, it looks like they include the extra packs with the default GuitarPort install; I have

ClassicAmpsPack.ast
FXExpansion.ast
GP2Ext.ast
HiGainPack.ast

in the resdl subdir; compare the contents of its sibling subdir res. It'd be pretty cool, but probably illegal, if somebody could figure out how to unlock these. After all, they're automagically installed, and you've already paid for them to be on your system.

Jafo · Post by **Jafo** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:47 pm

My spies inform me that grymmjack wrote:I guess we will never get a device that does DSP external to PC and just has some form of integrated computer interface..

ISTR that Digitech's current GNX processors will do this, via USB. But I never did really like them, so I never inquired too deeply. To my ear and in my very humble opinion, all Digitech products sound like Digitech products: like a not-quite sufficiently encoded MP3.

chrishurley · Post by **chrishurley** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:51 pm

The RPx400 has great USB capability with reamping and the whole deal. The problem is that it doesn't sound great. The GNX's sound better but not a ton (to me)

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:30 pm

Jafo, does the GNX "control" software reside within (and can it be controlled by?) your host program, though? If not, the POD and others already allow "software" manipulation. It's not the software that's needed per se, but the ability to treat the software as a VST.

Greg

chrishurley · Post by **chrishurley** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:37 pm

or the ability for the drivers to allow audio to route out and back in seemlessly.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:45 pm

Yeah. That would be great.

Line 6 Model Packs (Guitar Port, Tone Port, Pod XT, Etc.)