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Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:35 am

Not quite true CW. In the sampler, you have Layers, each of theses can be sent to a diff output. So, a preset may be made from 4 diff laters (samplesets/sounds) each of which can be routed anywhere. (as well as being tuned, panned, vel etc etc)

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:03 am

Kriminal wrote:Not quite true CW. In the sampler, you have Layers, each of theses can be sent to a diff output. So, a preset may be made from 4 diff laters (samplesets/sounds) each of which can be routed anywhere. (as well as being tuned, panned, vel etc etc)

Not sure I get this right. You are talking about the Orion sampler, am I correct?

What you describe here is combining several layers into a 'preset' (by that you mean a sound or instrument I think). But it is still ONE instrument that you play with ONE midi-channel. What I was describing about DS404 is that because it is multi-timbral, it can play multiple midi-tracks with each a different sound that are all coming from ONE loaded sampleset. I still don't see how you can do that with the Orion sampler, simply because it is NOT multitimbral, so one instance can not play different parts with different sounds.

But maybe I'm missing something

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:09 am

Ah, i see. But you can have all the other features tho, and more that are due to be tested soon.

Do you mean it has several sounds/layers loaded, or are you just using one sampleset/layer?

Colonel Flashback · Post by **Colonel Flashback** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:26 am

lol...i read the title as "Orion??? PIECE OF SHIT/NEGATIVE opinions please... no trolls."
Anyway, please continue...

jouni · Post by **jouni** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:37 am

crimsonwarlock wrote: In DS404 you can use ONE loaded sampleset and create DIFFERENT instruments in the multi-timbral layers. All the multi-timbral layers can use the ONE loaded sampleset but have their own settings for tuning, keymapping, filters, etc. DS404 is quite powerfull is this regard. So for a complex strings arrangement you can load one big (= high quality) string sample bank and then create different stringsounds based on this sampleset. So you get several stringsounds while there is just ONE sampleset loaded in memory. Orions native sampler is very powerfull but because it is NOT multitimbral it can not do this.

I cannot remember how the 6.2 Sampler did it, but I recall that this was changed a bit. If you load same SoundFont or OSP (Orion's own multisample format) to multiple Samplers the sample data is shared in memory. So in that sense it works "multitimbral", but you just use separate instances without any hassle with midichannels.

jouni · Post by **jouni** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:42 am

BONES wrote:Actually, gaming cards are generally very poor at doing 2D work. OTOH, a good, professional card will do all that stuff easily. I use an nVidia Quadro4 750XGL which you can pick up these days quite cheaply [the're getting old] or you could get pretty much any Matrox card as their drivers have really good 2D support, which is what you need for smooth screen redraws. I've tried a couple of gamers cards but they just aren't up to snuff for doing screen redraw stuff, even though they usually handle OpenGL pretty well [nVidia not ATI, whose OpenGL is a disgrace].

Of course Windows Vista will change this a bit as it uses the 3D accelerators for the UI itself.

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:20 pm

Kriminal wrote:Do you mean it has several sounds/layers loaded, or are you just using one sampleset/layer?

It can load multiple sample-sounds AND by putting them into different parts it can layer them as well. So it's quite close to what the Orion sampler can do in this regard. So what layers are in Orion's sampler, multi-timbral parts are in DS404. The Orion sampler is more intuitive to use though (purely my personal perspective) and has several other stengths that are lacking in the DS404. As I said, I use DS404 specifically for this 'trick' and not much else (well, there ARE some nice sounds for it made by Scot Solida that I like a lot

).

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:24 pm

so its the same as using multi instances of another sampler then.

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:25 pm

Mark Vera wrote:
crimsonwarlock wrote: In DS404 you can use ONE loaded sampleset and create DIFFERENT instruments in the multi-timbral layers. All the multi-timbral layers can use the ONE loaded sampleset but have their own settings for tuning, keymapping, filters, etc. DS404 is quite powerfull is this regard. So for a complex strings arrangement you can load one big (= high quality) string sample bank and then create different stringsounds based on this sampleset. So you get several stringsounds while there is just ONE sampleset loaded in memory. Orions native sampler is very powerfull but because it is NOT multitimbral it can not do this.
I cannot remember how the 6.2 Sampler did it, but I recall that this was changed a bit. If you load same SoundFont or OSP (Orion's own multisample format) to multiple Samplers the sample data is shared in memory. So in that sense it works "multitimbral", but you just use separate instances without any hassle with midichannels.

Aha, forgot about that. I seem to remember something like that indeed but I'm not completely sure. Maybe I will test this a bit. If this is true then indeed it will do close to the same as DS404. The only advantage that DS404 would have over this is that you plug in just one instance and load ONE multi with the samplesound and ALL multi-parts at once.

But I still will need DS404 because I also use SONAR (no Orion sampler THERE)

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:34 pm

Kriminal wrote:so its the same as using multi instances of another sampler then.

In THAT case it is indeed. But not when you want to play several different parts with (slightly) different sounds based on the same (big) samplesound.

Another example but this time with the SAME sound. Lets say you want a chord accompaniment played with a clean hammond sound and a melody with the same hammondsound but this time with some distortion on it. With DS404 you load one hammond samplesound, link it to two multiparts and play each multipart from it's own midi-track. Assign them to different outs and put a disto on the melody.

Let's make one thing clear, this has NOTHING to do with CPU load as that is still about playing an X-amount of voices. This is only important when you use some big samplesounds that must stay in memory. If you use any sampler that has disk-streaming, this point is moot as well I think

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:38 pm

Yeah, i did ask Rich about doing that (DS)a while back, more specifically for Audio Tracks tho....

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:21 pm

Kriminal wrote:Yeah, i did ask Rich about doing that (DS)a while back, more specifically for Audio Tracks tho....

If Rich is going to implement disk streaming in Orion Platinum then it will be way ahead of the pack

TeeLangSun · Post by **TeeLangSun** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:59 pm

Kriminal, Is there a rough timeframe for the release of Orion version 7? I'm still fighting with this pitchbend issue and someone, I believe one of the beta testers, stated that it was "fixed" now but there's been no word of when we will see this fix.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:02 pm

End of April was the last i heard.

TeeLangSun · Post by **TeeLangSun** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:09 pm

Kriminal wrote:End of April was the last i heard.

OK, thanks

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