FL Studio is amazing. Why is it so cheap?

[Jbravo]

on the subject of sytrus - it does sound great but I rarely use it because of the completely non-intuitive (and miniscule) envelope(s) make me want to break things after a few minutes - maybe it's just me

[jzero]

The envelopes work great for me... It's the additive harmonics editor and the FX sliders that are ridiculous on 1024x768. I imagine they're unusable on 1080x1024.

[BONES]

But if XXL is your thing, let's peg an apple to an apple: say, Reason.

So its better value that Reason. Fine, but they are not the only two options. ORION Platinum absolutely kills XXL in the value for money stakes and eXT is way better value, with your hodge-podge of freeware, than the basic version of FL. And both have a much better update cycle and similar upgrade pricing.

3xOSC (most underrated synth ever)

That could have something to do with it's interface being spread across a dozen tiny windows. Its sounds fine but is hardly a great synth to work with.

[ninjadroid]

So its better value that Reason. Fine, but they are not the only two options. ORION Platinum absolutely kills XXL in the value for money stakes and eXT is way better value, with your hodge-podge of freeware, than the basic version of FL. And both have a much better update cycle and similar upgrade pricing.

Right. QED. I mean, this is so obvious it goes without saying, doesn't it? Certainly not a judgement call at all. No leeway here to speak of. Just pure, god's honest truth, in all it's sacred purity.

[once_twice]

Why is FL Studio so expensive, compared to Buzz ?

[BONES]

Right. QED. I mean, this is so obvious it goes without saying, doesn't it? Certainly not a judgement call at all. No leeway here to speak of. Just pure, god's honest truth, in all it's sacred purity.

You are 100% right. All you have to do is list the features. The only subjective area would be if you feel that Toxic and Sytrus are vaguely comparable or if DirectWave is in the same ball-park as ORION's Sampler. Its harder to judge whether SimSynth Live is a match for WaveFusion or if anything in FL compares to UltranWMS. The bottom line however, is that even if you think that XXL is a better package than ORION Platinum, no objective comparison would conclude that it was more than twice as good, yet it costs more than twice as much. So QED, its not as good value. And eXT is a third the price of the entry-level FL and is very full-featured. Again, any objective comparison couldn't conclude that FL was 3 times better than eXT, where both are accompanied by a coterie of good freeware. So QED, eXT is better value.
If you want to argue over updates, just look at the change logs for each product. eXT has never had an update that wasn't free and ORION has only ever had one, when audio recording was added. When FL got similar functionality they changed their product line-up so you had to pay to get it in FL as well. So Imageline's "lifetime free updates" is really a lot more along the lines of "lifetime free updates of some things but we'll make you pay through the nose for other things that competitive products don't charge for".

[eidenk]

What Bones just said at the end is somehow the feeling I get just by going at the Imageline website. I don't feel you're out for a bargain there as the main point of it seems to be to force you to buy all the add-on collection that costs quite a lot.

[The Chase]

the main point of it seems to be to force you to buy all the add-on collection that costs quite a lot.

!?

What makes you think that, specifically?

[The Chase]

Good points Ninjaroid, though this one resonates with me the most...

3xOSC (most underrated synth ever)

3xOsc (Layered or not) +
stereo detune and phase shift +
using the MIDI delay on the Func tab as an ensemble effect +
Native FL FX =
luscious synth goodness with the least CPU consumption around.


I just wish they'd update it and the sampler channels with two LFO shapes:
sawtooth (a bizzare omission)
sample-and-hold random

If you throw the envelope controller in the mix, there are lots more modulation possibilities.

I wish they would give it a proper interface. I really like the sounds but am turned off by the 17 pages of GUI (though understandable why since it was introduced in fruity's standard channel window). If they would give it a natural V/A interface and throw in some typical V/A features I would love it.

[The Chase]

I admit that fruity's updates arent as big as I would wish but I really didnt even consider them when i bought FL. I just bought it for the program it is.

To me it is more cost efficient than any other app because I like it more than anything else

[eidenk]

the main point of it seems to be to force you to buy all the add-on collection that costs quite a lot.

!?

What makes you think that, specifically?

As I have said is just the feeling I got when I went to this site.

I went on Imagineline and before I knew it I was mentally calculating what it would cost me if I'd be also adding this and that to the shopping card and whether I could actually expect the full range of features you'd expect from such software without them.

I guess that much of this feeling comes the layout of the site and how you are made to navigate inside it.

It seems to me it's organized like in some supermarkets in which big efforts of design and layout are made so that your caddy gets entirely full of stuff you didn't want in the first place when you entered the shop.

Just my own personnal feeling.

[ATS]

the main point of it seems to be to force you to buy all the add-on collection that costs quite a lot.

!?

What makes you think that, specifically?

As I have said is just the feeling I got when I went to this site.

I went on Imagineline and before I knew it I was mentally calculating what it would cost me if I'd be also adding this and that to the shopping card and whether I could actually expect the full range of features you'd expect from such software without them.

I guess that much of this feeling comes the layout of the site and how you are made to navigate inside it.

It seems to me it's organized like in some supermarkets in which big efforts of design and layout are made so that your caddy gets entirely full of stuff you didn't want in the first place when you entered the shop.

Just my own personnal feeling.

mmm weird, I never got that feeling ever and actually think it is just fine without any add ons. The $100 version is plenty.

[TeeLangSun]

What Bones just said at the end is somehow the feeling I get just by going at the Imageline website. I don't feel you're out for a bargain there as the main point of it seems to be to force you to buy all the add-on collection that costs quite a lot.

How so? I've never felt even the urge to purchase any of the stuff in the XXL package. The beauty of FL is that it's basic sequencer is jampacked full of features. I like Orion and use it more than FL or Reason, but I still believe that FL's modular approach is best for the consumer. You get an amazing set of features that Orion or Reason will probably never see. You don't get the supposedly incredible synths, but then, I don't want those to be provided for me at extra cost, it makes more sense for a consumer to "choose" the synths and samplers that are good for the individual consumer. I'm not saying that one is better than the other, just that I think that as a consumer, choice is high on my list of important considerations. I feel that this is perfectly in line with FL Studio's approach. I want lots of features. I want all the pitch shifting and timestretching, import/export MP3, export "simultaneous" individual channels, and feature packed editors and piano rolls and drag and drop and on and on. I want all of that stuff because if these things aren't provided by the sequencer, then I'm certainly not gonna be able to have them as "plugins". Synths and samplers are the proverbial sand at the beach. Sequencer features basically cannot be had as addons unless you're adding on another sequencer like Ext, but even Ext doesn't compare to FL's featureset.

[eidenk]

the main point of it seems to be to force you to buy all the add-on collection that costs quite a lot.

!?

What makes you think that, specifically?

As I have said is just the feeling I got when I went to this site.

I went on Imagineline and before I knew it I was mentally calculating what it would cost me if I'd be also adding this and that to the shopping card and whether I could actually expect the full range of features you'd expect from such software without them.

I guess that much of this feeling comes the layout of the site and how you are made to navigate inside it.

It seems to me it's organized like in some supermarkets in which big efforts of design and layout are made so that your caddy gets entirely full of stuff you didn't want in the first place when you entered the shop.

Just my own personnal feeling.

mmm weird, I never got that feeling ever and actually think it is just fine without any add ons. The $100 version is plenty.

That's interesting to know.

[The Chase]

the main point of it seems to be to force you to buy all the add-on collection that costs quite a lot.

!?

What makes you think that, specifically?

As I have said is just the feeling I got when I went to this site.

I went on Imagineline and before I knew it I was mentally calculating what it would cost me if I'd be also adding this and that to the shopping card and whether I could actually expect the full range of features you'd expect from such software without them.

I guess that much of this feeling comes the layout of the site and how you are made to navigate inside it.

It seems to me it's organized like in some supermarkets in which big efforts of design and layout are made so that your caddy gets entirely full of stuff you didn't want in the first place when you entered the shop.

Just my own personnal feeling.

Supermarkets are commercial companies. So is Image Line. What company wouldnt like you to buy more of their products?