KVR Audio

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:36 am

The Chase wrote:
eidenk wrote:
The Chase wrote:
eidenk wrote:the main point of it seems to be to force you to buy all the add-on collection that costs quite a lot.
!?

What makes you think that, specifically?
As I have said is just the feeling I got when I went to this site.

I went on Imagineline and before I knew it I was mentally calculating what it would cost me if I'd be also adding this and that to the shopping card and whether I could actually expect the full range of features you'd expect from such software without them.

I guess that much of this feeling comes the layout of the site and how you are made to navigate inside it.

It seems to me it's organized like in some supermarkets in which big efforts of design and layout are made so that your caddy gets entirely full of stuff you didn't want in the first place when you entered the shop.

Just my own personnal feeling.
Supermarkets are commercial companies. So is Image Line. What company wouldnt like you to buy more of their products?

and that, my friend, is Capitalism. God bless America.

arke · Post by **arke** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:38 am

I think BONES is right, Orion Platinum has a better VFM than FL Studio XXL.

If Orion7 fixes the very few gripes I still have with it, and IL allows me to sell my license, I'll hop on the Orion bandwagon

But if thats not the case, I'll stick with my regular Producer edition of FL.

Does Orion have a slicer?

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:38 am

I suppose it comes down to how much they are willing to invest in coercing you into doing so.

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:40 am

camsr wrote:
The Chase wrote:
eidenk wrote:
The Chase wrote:
eidenk wrote:the main point of it seems to be to force you to buy all the add-on collection that costs quite a lot.
!?

What makes you think that, specifically?
As I have said is just the feeling I got when I went to this site.

I went on Imagineline and before I knew it I was mentally calculating what it would cost me if I'd be also adding this and that to the shopping card and whether I could actually expect the full range of features you'd expect from such software without them.

I guess that much of this feeling comes the layout of the site and how you are made to navigate inside it.

It seems to me it's organized like in some supermarkets in which big efforts of design and layout are made so that your caddy gets entirely full of stuff you didn't want in the first place when you entered the shop.

Just my own personnal feeling.
Supermarkets are commercial companies. So is Image Line. What company wouldnt like you to buy more of their products?
and that, my friend, is Capitalism. God bless America.

Captialism gets a bad wrap (and isnt native to America, BTW)

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:42 am

I think it is the price it is, because Gol knew what he was doing when he was designing and programming it. As far as I know he didn't hire a huge design team to build FL and that can save alot of overhead costs.

arke · Post by **arke** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:49 am

He started it because he wanted a drum machine for himself to play around. Eventually, the company he was (and still is) working for took it over, and made it into a commercial product.

XXL used to be $299, but the addition of DirectWave raised the price to its cuirrent $348 ...

The problem I have with the XXL package is that its so redundant ... you get SimSynth, and Wasp ... Even if I liked one of them I wouldn't need the other one, I think. But I don't need either ... I get by with the 3xOsc and NEOkILLER.

The XXL package would have been alot more appealing to me had it only been Sytrus, DW, and the SF player.

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:52 am

BTW, even as an FL fanboy I think that the XXL packadge is kinda lame in pricing. All the extra features aren't nearly worth the price of fruity itself to double the price like so.

arke · Post by **arke** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:54 am

Exactly.

Canned Heat · Post by **Canned Heat** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:01 am

Does XXL Package include WaveEditor and Zero-x BeatSlicer?

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:04 am

Canned Heat wrote:Does XXL Package include WaveEditor and Zero-x BeatSlicer?

producer edition includes the wave editor. No idea about zero-x, but I havent used it since the native slicer got a kick-ass update in FL 5.

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:04 am

YES!, and MORE!

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:08 am

I have to be honest. The ONLY reason I continue to use FL is because it's built in sampler is the best thing I have seen. I like how I can set envelope decays to tempo with just a few clicks and using the Normalize function in conjunction with the In and Out levels to shape drum samples. The built in filters are not so great, and I wish they could improve that. but I must say it has a kick-ass sampler.

Anybody know of another sampler that does all that, and MORE?!

zircon · Post by **zircon** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:12 am

XXL IS in fact a good deal. I regret not getting it, since I've ended up buying Simsynth, Wasp XT, Sytrus, and the Fruity Soundfont Player anyway (the total of which, added to the cost of Producer ed. is more than what XXL costs).

The Chase · Post by **The Chase** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:13 am

camsr wrote:I have to be honest. The ONLY reason I continue to use FL is because it's built in sampler is the best thing I have seen. I like how I can set envelope decays to tempo with just a few clicks and using the Normalize function in conjunction with the In and Out levels to shape drum samples. The built in filters are not so great, and I wish they could improve that. but I must say it has a kick-ass sampler.

Anybody know of another sampler that does all that, and MORE?!

Exactly! I agree so much, even about the filters.

The native sampler channel matched with the step sequencer makes it unbeatable for drum programming in my experience (especially teamed with the FPC that shane opened my eyes to today).

I was never impressed by the filters though. The high pass is horrid and 3 of the five LP filters are pretty wank sounding imo.

Canned Heat · Post by **Canned Heat** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:23 am

and Fruity Granulizer offers exactly the same sampler with more features & powers.

FL Studio is amazing. Why is it so cheap?