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keyman_sam wrote:Slightly OT, but whats the fastest CPU out there?
this is my opinion based on stuff i own and use:
for laptops Intel Yonah, single CPU desktops the 9xx series,for dual CPU x2 Opteron.
If are considered the use of PCI DSP cards then Intel chipsets are almost the only choice if a dual cpu is going to be used.

The imtel 9xx have not the termal issues of the previous CPU for the 775 socket, i have a 950 it runs extremelly cool, under 30º, okay this is winter here but with the 660 it reached 45º easely and most of the time even hotter and noisier.
The Intel 950 is an awesome performer but nothing as mindbogling as the first time i worked with a centino sonoma aka dothan at 2ghz, i could run projects on alaptop at incredible low latencies and it remained stable at huge workloads.
I know that the intel dualcore Yonah clocked at 2.0ghz performed as well( a little beter) as the AMD4400+ on the Nuendo's Thonex benchmarck, so most pobably the 2.16ghz will perform as well as the 4800+.
The 940 is as good as a 4400+, but i never heard of incompatibilities bettwen UAD cards and the Intel dual core but AMD x2 owners have experienced great dificulties on using their cards with such CPU's.

I'm currently running a Intel 950 on a antique chipset, the 865pe, a FireFace 800 and 4 UAD cards without a crash or problem whatsoever, but to get there i went for a lot of trouble.

i admit that the lust for power is time and money consuming plus higly addictive, so if you are capable with whatever you are using work out your ideas and projects stick with it untill you decide it's time to get something new.

installing OS and software, tweak it et all more than once a year is madness IMO, better leave those tasks to the pros or else one's get caugth on a web of tech stuff that has nothing to do with music... well at least in the old days it hadn't.

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OK, just thought about this, how about I use one of those Network Audio apps when I run out of CPU (FXteleport, wormhole) What do you guys think about that?

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superddman wrote:OK, just thought about this, how about I use one of those Network Audio apps when I run out of CPU (FXteleport, wormhole) What do you guys think about that?
Not sure, never tried them myself - personally, I'll just be using Energy XT and control it via MIDI - which, in the end, should be a tidier setup than I thought at first.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.

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Machinesworking:

The original Reaktor benchmark thread is at
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... 4687&pp=15
but there were other threads with similar subject lines later on with more data. Search (even in Google) with the keywords "Reaktor" "Benchmark" and "Jarre".

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kenn michael wrote:Actually, it's kinda the reverse... Apple doesn't want people running OSX on PC boxes (and they've implemented some protection to prevent people from doing so - hence the cracking)... They however said that they won't do anything to prevent running Windows on one of their boxes.
which would be _my_ personal goal, as not the apple hardware is the thing to worry (actually the g5's are very good), it's the os i will never trust (which is a very subjective opinion, of course, so don't nail me on that)...
i know, it's not a popular opinion, but i have found win xp to be the most reliable os i ever worked on ...
before the dissing starts: i come from mac, i worked on macs from os7 to os9x ... on logic ...
but actually, my question is:
why in the world is there no developer, that hooked up the potential customers that used logic on pc by simply implementing certain features/workflow-adaptions into their hosts? i really don't get this ... besides the fact that this time it would be exactly for the pc-logicusers, the "influences" from logic (and other hosts) to the major hosts was allways there (this way and vice versa).
i was a betatester for emagic about four years long, and these guys told me the market partial was up to 40%.
up to now (3 years or how long, since emagic was sold?) the major brickhead-developers were not able to see this fact ... i requested this here on kvr about the time emagic was sold to apple ... not too positive replies ...
so maybe we pc-logicusers will be lucky and the circle closes that way this time, and we finally will be able to use xp on macs, and on that logic ... allthough i doubt this, dreaming is allowed ... maybe energy xt2 is faster though ... ;)
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man

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brok landers wrote:it's the os i will never trust (which is a very subjective opinion, of course, so don't nail me on that)...
i know, it's not a popular opinion, but i have found win xp to be the most reliable os i ever worked on ...
before the dissing starts: i come from mac, i worked on macs from os7 to os9x ... on logic ...
I wouldn't judge XP against OSX right now considering OSX has had a few major facelifts since it's introduction, and XP is about to be eclipsed by Vista. Much in the same way it's probably not the fairest comparison to judge OS9 against XP........ Not trying to nail you, just pointing out that when XP came out , OS9 was already history.
kevink wrote:Machinesworking:

The original Reaktor benchmark thread is at
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... 4687&pp=15
but there were other threads with similar subject lines later on with more data. Search (even in Google) with the keywords "Reaktor" "Benchmark" and "Jarre".
Hey thanks, I took the tests with my lowly 1.5Ghz G4, and honestly for the speed of the machine it did quite well, in fact better than a 1.4 Centrino, which was very surprising to me? Basically macs do OK, old ass duals with G4's do really bad, but G5's do OK. Didn't see any results for the dual 2.7, or the quad 2.5...... Anyway it's all moot when Reactor goes Universal Binary. Intel on both sides of the camp.

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machinesworking wrote:
brok landers wrote:it's the os i will never trust (which is a very subjective opinion, of course, so don't nail me on that)...
i know, it's not a popular opinion, but i have found win xp to be the most reliable os i ever worked on ...
before the dissing starts: i come from mac, i worked on macs from os7 to os9x ... on logic ...
I wouldn't judge XP against OSX right now considering OSX has had a few major facelifts since it's introduction, and XP is about to be eclipsed by Vista. Much in the same way it's probably not the fairest comparison to judge OS9 against XP........ Not trying to nail you, just pointing out that when XP came out , OS9 was already history.
well, i have to admit that comparsion wasn't too fair, i didn't consider vista ...
as far as it comes to the comparsion between xp and os9x i think it's just fair, as these were the top ones exactly at the time i was switching (there was only osx beta),
and i was really simply stunned as i had both machines running simultanesly for months, just to be on the safe side when finally deciding ... xp was simply way more performant in all tasks, it was way more stable, and if logic crashed, it was _just_ logic, just relaunching logic was the only thing to do. on os9 when logic crashed, i had to reboot _allways.
and if you know os9, you know how painfully long it took to boot the machine ... you could go for a coffee, come back, and it still would be booting up even the slimest pref/extension setup .... ;) and the the graphics, when having just plain autoload open ... not to mention when you had an arrangement with a lot of tracks ... pac man was there again ... ;)
but thats os9 and we have osx now ... i have to say, i don't have too much experiance with the newest osx, but the ones before tiger, i don't know ... the handling is like rubber, graphics are too childish-playground, in the end i could just live with that, if the graphics wouldn't again, be sooo slow compared to xp ... this really influences my workflow in an unacceptable way ... :shrug:
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man

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kenn michael wrote:no..... you'd have to run the hacked OSX on Intel on your PC box.

http://www.osx86project.org/

people have gotten the Intel version of OSX to run on their PC boxes
So let me get this straight. Someone even so much as mentions warez or cracks here and they are hung, drawn and quatered, but having open discussions about 'hacking' illegal copies of OS systems and linking to websites discussing this is ok?

:roll:

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i know peeps running logic 7.2pro and Live 5 w/0sx on their pc's with no problems.
Neil G (Paper,SOWAT,motion,phobic,left minded,hawt,LA)

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Pawel wrote:
kenn michael wrote:no..... you'd have to run the hacked OSX on Intel on your PC box.

http://www.osx86project.org/

people have gotten the Intel version of OSX to run on their PC boxes
So let me get this straight. Someone even so much as mentions warez or cracks here and they are hung, drawn and quatered, but having open discussions about 'hacking' illegal copies of OS systems and linking to websites discussing this is ok?

:roll:
the warez reaction is just a knee-jerk reaction really..
it's a ritual to show you are suitable to spent time here. No one really worries about the little details as long as you shout loud when someone mentions 'cracked version of [insert vst name]' and then write 50 million posts to confirm your alliance to the great kvr

the shortcut is to suck some mod's or early regular member's dick, but that's less advertised here
My other host is Bruce Forsyth

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Pawel wrote:
kenn michael wrote:no..... you'd have to run the hacked OSX on Intel on your PC box.

http://www.osx86project.org/

people have gotten the Intel version of OSX to run on their PC boxes
So let me get this straight. Someone even so much as mentions warez or cracks here and they are hung, drawn and quatered, but having open discussions about 'hacking' illegal copies of OS systems and linking to websites discussing this is ok?

:roll:
If you bought a copy of mac osx, this would be just as justifiable as genuine plugin owners installing the respective warez versions to avoid pace, ilok etc. after all what you are doing is avoiding an overly expensive dongle :P.

That said the pricing on the mactels now that we can draw a clear comparison performance-wise with Windows pcs is quite reasonable.Apple computers generally look the part and personally I have always wanted to also use MacOSX but couldn't justify the cost of buying two separate platforms. Also with mactel now you can have the best of both worlds, and the point of particular excellent software available only for one of the two platforms becomes moot.

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