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Bradster · Post by **Bradster** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:16 am

So...for every Mozart there are a dozen Salieris?

Josmoker · Post by **Josmoker** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:23 am

BTW regarding brilliant modern music:
Went to see the Sofa Surfers last night. Brilliant! Geniuses as well and Austrians just like Mozart.

bluelife · Post by **bluelife** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:24 am

hi,

I only read your first post and not the whole thread.

This I have thought a long time, technology also lets people who have little or no musical knowledge make music, even if they can't play an instrument or don't know what a C#m7b9 is, which means the quantity increases.

Just because you own word, doesn't mean you can write a book kind of thing.

A guy I know tried to do a remix of a song I recorded for a german singer - he didn't have a clue, just added some drums etc. He didn't know what harmonies are:) - calls himself a producer though and has all the gear!

blue

waiting man · Post by **waiting man** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:24 am

"because the cream always rises to the top"
wtf?

damn neo-cons.
time to go back to latin masses.

Josmoker · Post by **Josmoker** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:25 am

I wrote:BTW regarding brilliant modern music:
Went to see the Sofa Surfers last night. Brilliant! Geniuses as well and Austrians just like Mozart. Razz

Did I mention that they were brilliant, yet? Just to make sure - they were briliant!

Do check them out!

eidenk · Post by **eidenk** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:30 am

stefancrs wrote:
Josmoker wrote:
bugbug wrote:Call me stuck in time if you will!!BUT!!!!
Yes you are. Or well, rather than stuck in time you are stuck in paradigm. Most of the electronic music of today isn't about chord changes at all.
Otoh, _lots_ of it is Or well, it plays a major roll atleast. On a side note, on the composition side, I find most of Jarre's work quite basic / cheezy for it's time. I always felt that Jarre is more about the production than the composition. I really enjoy listening to a lot of his albums though, so don't take what I said the wrong way

Jarre's muzak is boring and pretentious IMO.

stevieb19 · Post by **stevieb19** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:30 am

"because the cream always rises to the top"
wtf?

Could not agree more just take a look at the number of talentless idiots that graceed the british charts a few years ago during the boy\girl band era.

Talent may shine through occasionaly (more so at the moment) but always remember that these days music is controlled by accountants not music fans.

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:46 am

stevieb19 wrote:"because the cream always rises to the top"
wtf?

Could not agree more just take a look at the number of talentless idiots that graceed the british charts a few years ago during the boy\girl band era.

Talent may shine through occasionaly (more so at the moment) but always remember that these days music is controlled by accountants not music fans.

I _think_ he means that it takes a while for the cream to rise to the top. In 30 years we no doubt will think a lot of the popular music from for instance the 90's were great tracks. The only decade I really dislike the pop music from is the 70's, can't get my head around anything but ABBA really. The rest basically seems like, well, shite, to me

Martin E · Post by **Martin E** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:57 am

stefancrs wrote:
The only decade I really dislike the pop music from is the 70's, can't get my head around anything but ABBA really. The rest basically seems like, well, shite, to me

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. There's loads of good music from the seventies. But I ain't gonna spell it out for you.

DaveSmom · Post by **DaveSmom** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:03 am

You might need to

hehe

Enlighten the boy

stefancrs · Post by **stefancrs** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:23 am

Martin E wrote:
stefancrs wrote:
The only decade I really dislike the pop music from is the 70's, can't get my head around anything but ABBA really. The rest basically seems like, well, shite, to me
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. There's loads of good music from the seventies. But I ain't gonna spell it out for you.

Loads of good music from the 70's, yes. Never said there wasn't. I said I think all the pop music from the 70's is shite, which I don't think about for instance the 60's, 80's and 90's.

Barbed Wire Kiss · Post by **Barbed Wire Kiss** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:23 am

I think the analogy we're looking for is both shit and cream rise to the top, only cream taking longer - lets hope the shit sinks in the mean time!

Seriously though, it's misleading to compare Mozart, who is after all one very talented person out of many differing composers and musician in that era, with the whole spectrum of talent that we have today.

The two eras are different but do have similarities. Like today they had there was big name stars, and of course like today there were people that have been forgotten: the small name composers and the many 'folk' musicians that would have outnumbers the composers easily. Who's to say how good they were?!

Martin E · Post by **Martin E** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:34 am

stefancrs wrote: Loads of good music from the 70's, yes. Never said there wasn't. I said I think all the pop music from the 70's is shite, which I don't think about for instance the 60's, 80's and 90's.

When I say good music I of course mean pop music.90's good pop music? We better agree to disagree.

edoosx · Post by **edoosx** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:36 am

i don't think technology is a limit for creativity, on the contrary: a lot of important music genres are strictly related with innovations in music technology: imagine jazz without drumkit, rock'n'roll without electric guitar, techno without drummachine, jungle without sampler etc.
what i feel is that nowadays, with tenths of new vstis and vst effects coming out every month, we (or it's just me?) spend more time trying them out than using them for making music. sometimes i feel that i would be more creative with just a piano...
that said, i think that every decade and every century had their good music as they had their good painters, writers and so on. and i find quite unproductive to say that someone is a genius or that a particular time (or, why not, country) has the best music or the best whatever. someone can say that luke vibert is a genius, i can say he isn't, so who's right? how to demonstrate this? probably it would be better to talk just in terms of "i like it" or "i like it because..." rather than saying that someone is a genius, a concept claiming to be universal.

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:38 am

Something else to remember. In an age where we build more and more time-saving devices... we paradoxically end up with less and less time.

Mozart, Beethoven, Bach etc. would've had a good (probably un-interrupted) 18 hours to work with per day. The employers (rich noblemen, church, etc.) wouldn't be saying "We need to publish and market this music by Friday or we're moving to your competitors".

Was a different time in that there was more of it. Perhaps. Possibly. Hmn...

Were the good old days better