cubase latency

[ooer]

i know that latency is a common problem.
i read the cubase sx3 manual and changed vst/midi settings to get rid of it.

for some reason cubase starts playing up after a while.
it's ok initially, but once i've added a few vst instruments the latency goes up to ~500ms. even when i remove all the vst instruments, leaving just one, the latency problem is still there. i have to close and restart cubase to cure it.

i've got a midi usb keyboard and audigy 2 (asio driver) soundcard. and latency is low at 50ms. i was thinking of getting a zero latency card but this card has been fine.

anybody else having this problem? what's the fix?

btw, i've also used the synapse audio orion sequencer and it works fine, no latency at all!
so what's up with cubase?

thanks in advance.

[Pluu]

This has to do with yout Audio Card. Get a "real" audio editing card and then you will see that you get better latency. 50 MS is allready to much

This card is nice for many tasks but not for audio editing.

[ooer]

thanks for the reply.
i thought that would be the response. it's strange that orion works fine, but cubase doesn't.

what card would you suggest?
how about the E-MU 0404

[jmevz]

Any M-Audio Delta range sound cards, I have a Delta44, hasen't let me down yet, jus depends how many ins and outs you want on the card

Visit the m-audio website, google it, they have good quality products if you're on a tight budget like me

I produce dance music and am running atlease 5-6 synths at once, and it handles it fine

Regards, Mev!

[bduffy]

This has to do with yout Audio Card. Get a "real" audio editing card and then you will see that you get better latency. 50 MS is allready to much

This card is nice for many tasks but not for audio editing.

That's not true. I used to run Cubase with 2-5ms latencies with an Audigy 1, on a 800mhz PC. I could do the same with an SBLive right now if I wanted to. No way he should be seeing that much on an EMU processor!

Of course, you should always be looking at a card with the best specs, and go get a nice one if you wabt, but I doubt it's the Audigy.

ooer - are you sure you have the correct ASIO driver selected? It should be "Creative ASIO" or something like that. It sounds to me like you're using the ASIO Multimedia Driver or the ASIO DirectX driver - both of which should NEVER, EVER be used. Try switching the ASIO driver in Devices/VST Multitrack.

[ooer]

...are you sure you have the correct ASIO driver selected?...

Yes...

VST Audiobay:
Driver = SB Audigy 2 ZS ASIO [A000]
Input latency = 52ms
Output latency = 50ms
Release ASIO = Yes
Direct Monitoring = Yes
Priority = High
Preload = 2s
Lower latency = Yes
Multi-processing = Yes
Adjust = No

I think it has more to do with Cubase than Audigy2, otherwise Orion would do the same thing wouldn't it?
Thanks for your help guys.

[bduffy]

Have you tried starting off with latencies lower than 50ms? That's much longer than you should be running: the Cubase engine kind of needs to run at 20ms or less. You'll start hearing problems with VSTi at those latencies.

[ooer]

thanks for the idea.

i dropped the latency from 50ms to 20ms, but it made no difference.

if i get a latency (delay) in a recorded part, that it not evident when i play the midi keyboard, i have to delete the part, save the project, close cubase, restart cubase and record the part again. it then records without latency.

i can add more tracks, parts and vst instruments until i hit the problem again, then i have to "reboot cubase" again.

btw, if i make a change to device setup (e.g. vst audiobay), the Apply button does NOT apply changes properly. i have to close and restart cubase to apply the changes. probably unrelated, but something else that doesn't work as expected.

[stag]

Go to Devices\Device setup\Direct Music\ enable use system time stamp.
It's your Midi controller the one to blame but Steinberg had come up with this solution.
I don't think however audigy is coolfor pro audio work, ain't it locked to 48Mhz or something but AFAIK is capable of extremelly low latencies.

[Sascha Franck]

System time stamp might not help.
Doesn't seem to be a problem of latency either (but you *should* get another card or at least check the ASIO4All driver).
Head over to your Cubase installation directory, go into the folder called "MIDI Port Enabler" and drag the file "ignoreportfilter" out of it (put it one level up, just in case...).
Restart Cubase, go into your device setup, locate the MIDI ports, disable anything labeled "EMU". Enable the "true" MIDI ports. Probably restart Cubase again.
That should help.

[ooer]

..."MIDI Port Enabler" and drag the file "ignoreportfilter" out of it...

thanks for the idea.
the only file in "MIDI Port Enabler" folder is "enableemulated".
the only active input in "Device Setup..." is "USB Audio Device".

[ooer]

Go to Devices\Device setup\Direct Music\ enable use system time stamp...

YEAH!
I think that fixed it. I loaded 16 tracks with 16 vst instruments for an hour and i'm not getting any latency at all. Thanks Stag!