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Squish · Post by **Squish** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:32 am

Hi,
Is there a plugin that's like Dominion, but takes it up a notch?
I've searched but I just keep running into Dominion, which isn't bad, I'm just wondering if the idea has been improved upon in the plugin world?
Thanks!!

funkadil · Post by **funkadil** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:50 am

hmmm.. I was thinking the same. Just started using dominion though, good on drums, not ready for alternatives until i really get to know dominion.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:00 am

Two things come to mind: Braindoc's (inexplicably unlisted) Envelope Designer and Voxengo's Transmodder.

I found Braindoc's plugin just seemed to cause distortion and Transmodder seemed promising, but displays Voxengo's signature incomprehensibility, but naybe give it a try.

I've found Dominion to be the most effective so far; it's marvelous for reducing, say, too much plectrum-sound on acoustic guitars. For increasing attack, I find you can easily get that by running something through a compressor with a lot of attack and short release, or mixing in said signal with original.

Squish · Post by **Squish** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:04 am

Hi bduffy,
I thought Transmodder would be the ticket, but I read this in the manual.

Is Transmodder similar to some competing transient-designing plug-ins?

In some cases, transient-shaping plug-ins can reshape attack, sustain and release stages of the sound, but this is probably out of the reach of Transmodder. In the case of Transmodder, transient moments can only be amplified or attenuated. However, it is possible to perform advanced tricks by using two filters together (one with the negative and the other with the positive gain, and varying decays). Both filters should be driven by the same transient analyzer. Although such approaches may look complex, they can give further control over transients.

So it looks like Transmodders not what I'm looking for. I'll check out the one from Braindoc though, thanks for the link!

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:07 am

Squish wrote:Hi bduffy,
I thought Transmodder would be the ticket, but I read this in the manual.
Is Transmodder similar to some competing transient-designing plug-ins?

In some cases, transient-shaping plug-ins can reshape attack, sustain and release stages of the sound, but this is probably out of the reach of Transmodder. In the case of Transmodder, transient moments can only be amplified or attenuated. However, it is possible to perform advanced tricks by using two filters together (one with the negative and the other with the positive gain, and varying decays). Both filters should be driven by the same transient analyzer. Although such approaches may look complex, they can give further control over transients.
Yeah, you know, I thought that was what it could do too! Good on you for RTFM!!! Let me know if you got anything out of the Braindoc one, it didn't seem very good to me.
So it looks like Transmodders not what I'm looking for. I'll check out the one from Braindoc though, thanks for the link!

Squish · Post by **Squish** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:36 am

I found a few through google.
Waves TransX= A big NO.
Sony Oxford= No POCO.
Found one obscure one called "Transient Designer" but it didn't look any better than Dominion.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:21 am

Squish wrote:I found a few through google.
Waves TransX= A big NO.
Sony Oxford= No POCO.
Found one obscure one called "Transient Designer" but it didn't look any better than Dominion.

This one? I've never seen this page before...looks like SynthEdit-made. I'll try them out, you never know.

Waves Trans-X...you know, I have that at work, with the Waves Diamond bundle, but I never use it. I should try it sometime, lol.

Sony Oxford..sigh...I sure would like to get one of those DSP cards someday...it would be hard to decide between UAD-1 or Powercore. I still use the TC Native Compressor religously, and their chorus is the thing of legends...but UAD-1 has the big, vintage thing sewn down...but I digress...

akisd28 · Post by **akisd28** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:39 am

The Sony one is really good, like all the other Sony stuff, a good reason to buy a PoCo, if you can afford the whole thing.

I think Dominion does a pretty good job, though.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:53 am

While we're talking DSP cards it might be worth mentioning that the original SPL Transient Designer is available as a plugin for the Creamware Scope platform. I own it and have also played a little with the Sony Oxford TransMod.

To my mind the SPL plugin is a lot easier to get your head round. It basically has two controls: one for the attack and one for the sustained part - very intuitive and very effective.

For a freebie, Dominion is pretty amazing but I feel I can make more drastic changes with the SPL TD.

/Yoss

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:56 am

Yossarian wrote:While we're talking DSP cards it might be worth mentioning that the original SPL Transient Designer is available as a plugin for the Creamware Scope platform. I own it and have also played a little with the Sony Oxford TransMod.

To my mind the SPL plugin is a lot easier to get your head round. It basically has two controls: one for the attack and one for the sustained part - very intuitive and very effective.

For a freebie, Dominion is pretty amazing but I feel I can make more drastic changes with the SPL TD.

/Yoss

Oh yeah, Creamware...how come those aren't more popular??

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:23 am

bduffy wrote: Oh yeah, Creamware...how come those aren't more popular??

I'd say it's mostly due to lack of marketing.

The Scope cards have a different focus than the PoCo and UAD-1. The FX aren't bad (in some cases excellent, like the Transient Designer) but where it really shines is in the synths.

It's also different in that the SFP software serves as a very flexible routing/mixing environment (although you can also run the cards in XTC mode where the plugins are loaded into your sequencer as VST:s/VSTi:s).

The cards are overdue for a hardware upgrade (the Sharc processors are getting a bit long in the tooth) but it shouldn't be too far off now. There should be some good deals to be made on the present generation cards when that happens.

/Yoss

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:26 am

Yossarian wrote:
bduffy wrote: Oh yeah, Creamware...how come those aren't more popular??
I'd say it's mostly due to lack of marketing.

The Scope cards have a different focus than the PoCo and UAD-1. The FX aren't bad (in some cases excellent, like the Transient Designer) but where it really shines is in the synths.

It's also different in that the SFP software serves as a very flexible routing/mixing environment (although you can also run the cards in XTC mode where the plugins are loaded into your sequencer as VST:s/VSTi:s).

The cards are overdue for a hardware upgrade (the Sharc processors are getting a bit long in the tooth) but it shouldn't be too far off now. There should be some good deals to be made on the present generation cards when that happens.

/Yoss

That's right: it's more of a synth card. Thanks for the info!

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:42 am

I don't want to sound like I'm dismissing the Scope FX. There are 3rd party developers who's made some very good FX plugins for the platform. The P-100 and A-100 reverbs sold through Sonic Timeworks (and developed by the guy behind the CSR-1) are very impressive and there are some very nice compressors and EQ:s as well.

I forgot to mention that the Scope cards come with their own audio and Midi I/O:s so they're more of an all-round solution than the PoCo and UAD-1.

/Yoss

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:49 am

bduffy wrote: I found Braindoc's plugin just seemed to cause distortion

did you rtfm?

it's actually very good!

living sounds · Post by **living sounds** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:26 am

I had the Creamware TD a few years ago - it was OK, but nothing like the real thing (hardware).

Transient Designer plugin