Hi KVR's,
it was a pity the new SX4 update was not introduced at the Frankfurter Music Messe. But probably they workin' hard on it including the fixing of the 3.1 bugs (hope not introducing some new ones)...
Since the Channel strip of SX and the rest of their plugs is not that good, maybe Steinberg could build in the algorithms of (Steinberg's owner) Yamaha's plugs, for instance:
instead of SX's Channel strip:
01X Channel Module
The 01X Channel Module (plug-in version of a single 01X channel strip, giving you the ability to control and manage all mixer parameters, including EQ, dynamics, phase, attenuation and more from an intuitive graphical interface on your computer screen.)
Pitch Fix
Pitch Fix automatically corrects slight pitch and intonation inconsistencies of vocal and instrument tracks to make them sound smoother and more professional. Using advanced algorithms, this VST/Audio Units plug-in faithfully preserves the formants of the original sound, delivering natural sounding pitch correction without unwanted artifacts. Pitch Fix can also be used to create the perfect backing vocal parts for your tracks by simply modifying the lead vocal track.
Final Master
An essential tool for any type of production, Final Master is a high-quality multi-band dynamics processor that adds punch and clarity to your final mix. This VST/Audio Units plug-in provides a number of presets, created by professional recording engineers, for most any style of music. Virtually all forms of music today are mastered at professional mastering suites. With Final Master, the mastering suite is right in your computer.
Vocal Rack
Vocal Rack is a VST/Audio Units multi-effect plug-in specifically designed for recording and processing vocals. It includes a high-pass filter, compressor, enhancer, 3-band EQ, de-esser, noise gate and delay - all in one easy-to-edit solution. It comes with a variety of presets created by professional engineers, ready for you to use in your music.
I hope Steinberg will do something with it, cuz it's for them the easiest way to improve their build in effect.
What do you think?
Any ideas?
YAMAHA algorithms build in in CUBASE SX 4?
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- Banned
- 318 posts since 27 Jul, 2005
what's the sense of this thread? Do you honestly think, a yamaha product manager will read it and then even consider it?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 33 posts since 3 Nov, 2005 from Holland
i DO think the Yamaha plugs won't sell that great since their not have that 'plugin brand name' and this makes the sales of SX4 only bigger, which is also in favour of Yamaha...
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- KVRAF
- 2327 posts since 13 Apr, 2004 from Vancouver, Canada
Forget him xs2... the guy posts such absolute nonsense, and then accuses others of doing the same. Best to just ignore him.
Sorry orange. your attention seeking is getting old.
Sorry orange. your attention seeking is getting old.
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- KVRAF
- 37511 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
I'm more interested to see what they do regarding distriuted processing - ie since they now have system link and midilan which way will they go?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 33 posts since 3 Nov, 2005 from Holland
Would be VERY nice if they can make it work and stable as Muse Research Receptor's REWIRE technology...since they now have system link and midilan which way will they go
http://www.museresearch.com/press_relea ... niwire.php
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- KVRAF
- 37511 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 33 posts since 3 Nov, 2005 from Holland
Yes, like Logic's node system, but also support for 3th party plugins!
Or how about SX build in a control panel where you can select which plugin goes to which buildin processor or your external computer 's processor?
Imagine having this Quad Mac Intel (4 x 3Ghz) or Opteron and use of ALL their processors (without having - and paid for it - 2 processors doing nothing...)
But in SX4? Nuh...
Or how about SX build in a control panel where you can select which plugin goes to which buildin processor or your external computer 's processor?
Imagine having this Quad Mac Intel (4 x 3Ghz) or Opteron and use of ALL their processors (without having - and paid for it - 2 processors doing nothing...)
But in SX4? Nuh...
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- KVRAF
- 9600 posts since 17 Sep, 2002 from Gothenburg Sweden
What are you talking about? Cubase and Nuendo 3.1 takes advantage of ALL cores in a multicore system.And automatically so you don't have to assign it manually.xs2media wrote:Yes, like Logic's node system, but also support for 3th party plugins!
Or how about SX build in a control panel where you can select which plugin goes to which buildin processor or your external computer 's processor?
Imagine having this Quad Mac Intel (4 x 3Ghz) or Opteron and use of ALL their processors (without having - and paid for it - 2 processors doing nothing...)
But in SX4? Nuh...
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- KVRAF
- 9064 posts since 1 Aug, 2003
I hope SX4 will bring full water closet functionality to the bedroom producer's seat.
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- KVRist
- 476 posts since 28 Jun, 2002 from Vancouver, Canada
Personally the things I'm hoping for are:
- Bug fixes (envelope editing, group channels)
- More flexible and better sounding EQ per channel
- Per-channel dynamics (compressor/expander/limiter/gate)
- Draggable inserts
- Easy side-chains
That's it that's all! Lots of work, sure, but that'd really make me happy.
~MacQ
- Bug fixes (envelope editing, group channels)
- More flexible and better sounding EQ per channel
- Per-channel dynamics (compressor/expander/limiter/gate)
- Draggable inserts
- Easy side-chains
That's it that's all! Lots of work, sure, but that'd really make me happy.
~MacQ
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
Uh...I hate to inform you, original poster, but those Yamaha plugins are crap. Finalmaster and VocalRack are two of the biggest jokes I've ever tried, and their design is ameteurish-looking. Personally, I hope they stay away from whoever coded those POS's. I also think there are plenty of good plugins shipped with Cubase, and the EQ is more than good enough for day-to-day surgery (remember when it was about the only host with it?).
If I had one wish, it would be to exorcise all the legacy ghosts from Cubase. Fix the loading time, get rid of those quasi-Windows dialogue boxes that you can't tab through, make the signal chain more flexible, get all that MIDI functionality back in that they removed from before, etc. I do agree it's time to streamline this sucker, once and for all.
But they'll probably add a new "Wave-Time-Stretch-Warp" instead.
If I had one wish, it would be to exorcise all the legacy ghosts from Cubase. Fix the loading time, get rid of those quasi-Windows dialogue boxes that you can't tab through, make the signal chain more flexible, get all that MIDI functionality back in that they removed from before, etc. I do agree it's time to streamline this sucker, once and for all.
But they'll probably add a new "Wave-Time-Stretch-Warp" instead.
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- KVRAF
- 8732 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
Damn...bduffy beat me to it. 
To my ears, the global myth about Cubase FX is just that - myth. For sure, not all of them are the best available, but some of them are absolute gems. I get the feeling many people don't even trial them out properly, simply because there are so many external ones available on the market...and also possibly the pirate tendency - if you've paid $1000 (or equivalent in local currency) you damn well check out what your host can do...and cubase does more than the casual pirater assumes it does.
There are a handful of Cubase FX that I use in preference to all other FX. The chorus (I love it to death...sounds smoother and richer than many a h/w unit I've got); the midigate - simple easy efficient; all of the filters - always down to taste, but I love the character of both the stepsequencer one and I wish all filters had the overdrive capability of the main one; even the multiband - damn stupid GUI and I hate hate hate it, and it hasn't enough control by far, but the actual sound and compression characteristics are pretty fine to my ears; the extra Eq - nothing amazing, but transparent enough for your every day Eqing duties; Quadrafuzz - still fantastic for all its years, and yet to be beaten in its flexibility (IMO); and there are others.
So you're telling me that every single effect in the Yamaha desks is top notch? Doubt it...exactly the same as every single other host or digital h/w DAW. There are some good'uns and bad'uns. (And by the way...I don't rate Yamaha FX that highly. Never did, and yet to be convinced that they don't make some of the most digital cold metallic FX out there
) I really don't like the sound that comes out of Yamaha digital desks - maybe it's the converters, rather than FX, but I suspect it's both.
You mentiopn alot of channel strip FX...IMO no host available has satisfactory complete channel strips - they're all a bit ho-hum. So it wouldn't matter what they put in SX4...I'd still use Kjaerhus and UAD plugins.
What I'd really like for SX4? Just a very few simple workflow changes, less clutter on the GUI, maybe even one or 2 (only) big new features...and then get rid of all the extraneous shite that's been added over the years (and bring back the useful stuff from VST that they got rid of). Overall it's still a great host...but I feel the need to upgrade less and less nowadays. I know that each and every version gets bigger and more unweildy. So I'll stick with what I've got for quite a while yet. Maybe Steinberg don't realise that there's probably a large-ish user base like me who actually don't want any more flashing lights and dingly bells and piercing whistles. What we want is a friendly instantly useable host just like we had with VST - but we want modern sound quality - that's all...plain and simple.
Making it like a Yamaha DAW isn't a step forward IMO.
Huh! rant over...that feels better.
Now all we need is for Sascha to tell us all how crap Cubase is, and how Logic does everything everyone has asked for in this thread already.
To my ears, the global myth about Cubase FX is just that - myth. For sure, not all of them are the best available, but some of them are absolute gems. I get the feeling many people don't even trial them out properly, simply because there are so many external ones available on the market...and also possibly the pirate tendency - if you've paid $1000 (or equivalent in local currency) you damn well check out what your host can do...and cubase does more than the casual pirater assumes it does.
There are a handful of Cubase FX that I use in preference to all other FX. The chorus (I love it to death...sounds smoother and richer than many a h/w unit I've got); the midigate - simple easy efficient; all of the filters - always down to taste, but I love the character of both the stepsequencer one and I wish all filters had the overdrive capability of the main one; even the multiband - damn stupid GUI and I hate hate hate it, and it hasn't enough control by far, but the actual sound and compression characteristics are pretty fine to my ears; the extra Eq - nothing amazing, but transparent enough for your every day Eqing duties; Quadrafuzz - still fantastic for all its years, and yet to be beaten in its flexibility (IMO); and there are others.
So you're telling me that every single effect in the Yamaha desks is top notch? Doubt it...exactly the same as every single other host or digital h/w DAW. There are some good'uns and bad'uns. (And by the way...I don't rate Yamaha FX that highly. Never did, and yet to be convinced that they don't make some of the most digital cold metallic FX out there
) I really don't like the sound that comes out of Yamaha digital desks - maybe it's the converters, rather than FX, but I suspect it's both.You mentiopn alot of channel strip FX...IMO no host available has satisfactory complete channel strips - they're all a bit ho-hum. So it wouldn't matter what they put in SX4...I'd still use Kjaerhus and UAD plugins.
There IS true sidechaining available within Cubase already. What you mean is that you'd like the native Cubase plugins to take advantage of the sidechaining availability - fair point, but again, I'd rather use quality 3rd party sidechaining comps, myself.In SX4 I'd like to see true sidechaining and a beat detective type program.
Yeah...that's more to the point...it could be a whole lot more intuitive, for sure.- Easy side-chains
There is already. There's a whole combined dynamics section can be inserted to each and every channel (not that I personally use it though) - which is exactly why they implement it that way (i.e. you have to insert it). If you don't want to use it, you're not stuck with it - I have no problem with that.- Per-channel dynamics (compressor/expander/limiter/gate)
Hallelujah! Amen to that. That's one of those small, but incredibly helpful workflow things that Steinberg seem to have lost the grasp of (they used to understand it).- Draggable inserts
Yeah...I can go with that too. The Eq given is OK, but it would be nice to have a choice of surgical or character. At present it's only surgical.- More flexible and better sounding EQ per channel
Yep...and all of those too. To my mind Steinberg don't have a vision of what they want Cubase to be any more. It's stuck between 2 states - the old intuitive, easy flow midi-based VST, and the newer SX that has great audio capabilities and fancy doodads, but no soul.If I had one wish, it would be to exorcise all the legacy ghosts from Cubase. Fix the loading time, get rid of those quasi-Windows dialogue boxes that you can't tab through, make the signal chain more flexible, get all that MIDI functionality back in that they removed from before, etc. I do agree it's time to streamline this sucker, once and for all.
What I'd really like for SX4? Just a very few simple workflow changes, less clutter on the GUI, maybe even one or 2 (only) big new features...and then get rid of all the extraneous shite that's been added over the years (and bring back the useful stuff from VST that they got rid of). Overall it's still a great host...but I feel the need to upgrade less and less nowadays. I know that each and every version gets bigger and more unweildy. So I'll stick with what I've got for quite a while yet. Maybe Steinberg don't realise that there's probably a large-ish user base like me who actually don't want any more flashing lights and dingly bells and piercing whistles. What we want is a friendly instantly useable host just like we had with VST - but we want modern sound quality - that's all...plain and simple.
Making it like a Yamaha DAW isn't a step forward IMO.
Huh! rant over...that feels better.
Now all we need is for Sascha to tell us all how crap Cubase is, and how Logic does everything everyone has asked for in this thread already.