Oh, and some of the people who have posted in here talking about having no av etc have posted in other threads about how insecure/unreliable windows is yet they're trying to convince people to NOT take precautions to aviod these issues. It seems that in this particular case they're just trying to "be on the other side" for some idiotic reason. At least you know who the f**k to avoid taking advice from when it comes to anything you're not sure about.
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- KVRAF
- 4968 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Glasgow
I wonder if any of these "wtf..it's 2006/practice safe computing/there's no risk" etc etc etc people lock their car/house doors, keep their money in a bank as opposed to box under their bed, don't cross the road when cars are speeding by... Such infantile attitudes around here at times (not news
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Oh, and some of the people who have posted in here talking about having no av etc have posted in other threads about how insecure/unreliable windows is yet they're trying to convince people to NOT take precautions to aviod these issues. It seems that in this particular case they're just trying to "be on the other side" for some idiotic reason. At least you know who the f**k to avoid taking advice from when it comes to anything you're not sure about.

Oh, and some of the people who have posted in here talking about having no av etc have posted in other threads about how insecure/unreliable windows is yet they're trying to convince people to NOT take precautions to aviod these issues. It seems that in this particular case they're just trying to "be on the other side" for some idiotic reason. At least you know who the f**k to avoid taking advice from when it comes to anything you're not sure about.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3864 posts since 29 Feb, 2004
To each his own, if you're comfortable to connect your music PC to the internet, please do so.
But imho nobody should try to force you to do that.
And in the case of Samplitude, which is a great product, no doubt whatsoever, aimed at the pro market, you're dealing with people whose work and money depends on a totally reliable computer and those people don't think a second about buying a cheap 300 $ PC dedicated to internet use only, if this improves their security and keeps their DAWs free from all the necessary stuff for internet use.
One lost session for a client will surely cost more than the extra PC, not even talking about the damage to your reputation.
Cheers, susiwong
Let's not fight each other over words, let's try to convince Magix to make some kind of offline installer for those of us who need it and all will be fine.
But imho nobody should try to force you to do that.
And in the case of Samplitude, which is a great product, no doubt whatsoever, aimed at the pro market, you're dealing with people whose work and money depends on a totally reliable computer and those people don't think a second about buying a cheap 300 $ PC dedicated to internet use only, if this improves their security and keeps their DAWs free from all the necessary stuff for internet use.
One lost session for a client will surely cost more than the extra PC, not even talking about the damage to your reputation.
Cheers, susiwong
Let's not fight each other over words, let's try to convince Magix to make some kind of offline installer for those of us who need it and all will be fine.
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- KVRian
- 694 posts since 6 Aug, 2002 from London, UK
That's the equivalent of "safe computing". Not connecting to the internet is like 6" steel shutters on every window, never leaving the house and not trusting anyone.
Do you seriously believe that other people ("professionals") who create content on their PC don't connect their computers to the Internet? Why do musicians think their usage is so special as to require this?
(I'll grant cases where something like a wireless LAN adapter causes interrupts and glitches, but that's a specific problem with specific hardware that means disabling it while you're working, not keeping the machine off-line).
Do you seriously believe that other people ("professionals") who create content on their PC don't connect their computers to the Internet? Why do musicians think their usage is so special as to require this?
(I'll grant cases where something like a wireless LAN adapter causes interrupts and glitches, but that's a specific problem with specific hardware that means disabling it while you're working, not keeping the machine off-line).
- KVRAF
- 25042 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
susiwong wrote:those people don't think a second about buying a cheap 300 $ PC dedicated to internet use only, if this improves their security and keeps their DAWs free from all the necessary stuff for internet use.
One lost session for a client will surely cost more than the extra PC, not even talking about the damage to your reputation.
the studios I know have all their computers (Macs & PC's) connected to one network so they have all internet...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3864 posts since 29 Feb, 2004
For me there's not the slightest advantage in being online, but it sure saves me lots of trouble. My other PC (the one I'm writing this on) is running 24/7, is connected / disconnected in a second, with hardware and software firewall and a good antivirus program.
So why on earth should I connect my DAW, too ?
ymmv, susiwong
So why on earth should I connect my DAW, too ?
ymmv, susiwong
- KVRAF
- 25042 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
yeah, I was speaking about bigger pro-studios... 
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- KVRAF
- 4968 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Glasgow
Well...my dads brothers mates cousins uncles sister-in-laws addopted brothers nephew works in a studio that the beatles and james brown and bette midler and frankie goes to hollywood and yanni and neds atomic dustbin and cleopatra (comin at ya) and the pretenders and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and bob dylan all recorded their hit records in and it doesn't have computers at all, so there.jens wrote:yeah, I was speaking about bigger pro-studios...
- KVRAF
- 25042 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
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- Banned
- 1648 posts since 11 Sep, 2005
...or a hardware firewall which is built into every router and many DSL modems and is much more reliable than any software firewalljens wrote:I was with you until you made that list, Arke - all points are bollocks (apart from common sense)...
- you basically just need a good relaible firewall... (e.g. Sygate)
...or a hardware firewall which is built into every router and many DSL modems and will take exactly no resources, no matter what computerjens wrote:- the firewall uses minimal cpu-ressources -> on my Athlon XP2600+ (786mb ram) I usually am not able to notice any significant difference when ending the internet-connection and closing down both my Sygate firewall and Thunderbird - of course Thunderbird uses some mb of your ram when running (about 25mb on my machine) so if you need those...
...or a hardware firewall which is built into every router and many DSL modems, doesn't require a download, is guaranteed to not expire, and is more reliable anyway.terragong wrote:use zonealarm firewall thats 4-free and works perfect
Have I made my point yet?
The pros do/don't do X, so everybody whos SERIOUS should do it too, right? You probably use Cubase/Sonar because it has a better summing engine too, right?diversheat wrote:No serious musician or sounddesigner has connected his DAW to the internet.
Especially if you use a decent browser (Firefox, Opera, Mozilla Suite, K-Meleon, whatever).backpage wrote:It's highly unlikely anyone is going to pick up a virus by connecting to a secure server on magix.net.
Porn hasn't gotten me a virus yetbackpage wrote:Stay away from the porn and you'll be fine.
Forgive me, I'm slightly agitated today, also this is about the millionth time I've seen this BS statement and I guess I snapped. But who cares, its teh intarweb!1diverdee wrote:Well 6 months, 2000 posts & frankensteins monster is definately being born in arrogance.arke wrote:WHY!? WHY WHY WHY WHY DO YOU DUMBASS PEOPLE NOT CONNECT YOUR DAWS TO THE NET!?PeterL wrote:I will never connect my DAW to internet, so it's waste of money for me.
Well done - I take it your limited 18 year old view & experience of the world & t'internet is supposed to convince naysayers (many of whom have been using pc's since before you were born) of the errors of their ways?
Not saying rights or wrongs - just no need to be such an arrogant little prick about it is there?
Anyway some of the 'dumbasses' I know simply don't take any chances - at all, we're talking people who earn a living doing this, have a clientele, deadlines etc? - no internet connection, religious backups etc. - right, wrong? who knows, it's their choice.
They don't need some DUMBASS KID coming shouting the odds at them in his ARROGANT little voice now do they?
Regarding people using computers longer than I've been born ... would somebody who last used a computer in 1987 have any clue on how to use one these days? Lets dig a little bit:
- At the end of the year (after I was born, even!) Windows 2.0 was released. Which was nothing more than a fancy MS DOS shell. Windows 1.0 was not only worse but also technologically about 5 years behind the competition and ... nobody really used it. Have a screenshot! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Windows1.0.gif. Resemblance to modern Windows? As good as none!
- What did Windows run on? DOS, of course! Basically, you type in cryptic commands and DOS would do shit. If it felt like it. Which wasn't often. I'm sure you all remember the times of having 5 different CONFIG.SYS files, depending on which application you wanted to use! Oops, no you don't, because thats not done these days anymore, thats soooo 80s (well, early 90s too). Resemblance to any modern OS? Pretty much none.
- There was the odd Macintosh floating around, running OS 5 or something ... black and white screens, and you could carry them around in your hand. Resemblance to modern OS X? As good as none! (trust me, I know, I had a mac from '86 for about 2 years)
- the odd "home computer" was floating around ... Commodore 128, anyone? Except by that time Commodore was pretty much dead, but the systems were still used by plenty of kids. Does anyone remember the nice BASIC prompt you would get when you turned one on? You don't? Doesn't surprise me. Resemblance to any modern OS? Pretty much none.
- And then, of course, the old Unix systems, the ones where even Computer Science PhDs would scratch their heads in awe at the error messages it would spit out randomly. Resemblance to any modern OS? Yes, Linux, but these days you get a nice graphical prompt for your user name and theres actually useable software for it except compilers, backup utilities, and /usr/bin/fortune.
So, lets sum up. All the computer knowledge in the world from 1987 ... would it help you at all today?
Negative.
I don't think in my 6 months and 2600 posts of KVR I've ever seen a post longer than 2 sentences that I've agreed with so much. I think I want to be your friend. Email me!Majken wrote:You and me Arke, you and me.
I scan for viruses online now and then but never ever find anything. So I really don't see the point. Just avoid using Office, Outlook and installing software from unknown sources and one will be just fine.
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Call me stupid and what not. But I can't help but feel slightly amused over the fact that connecting the DAW to the internet for a minute is a massive issue when we're talking about a software that's either free with a magazine or costs 50 euro.
But hey, what do I know?
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Oh and while on the topic. I would want a host that's usually always connected to the net through something similar to Steam that Half-Life uses. Would be excellent to have a small app to keep track on updates, free plugins and samples with direct access to support forums and software demos. The software would work offline as well but would need a logged on user to download patches and such. That way one can access all music software from whichever computer easily by grabbing the client and logging on, just like Steam. But hey in a world full of dongles, serialnumbers and pace we're never gonna see anything clever and easy to use now are we?
/Majken
- KVRAF
- 25042 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
how should that work? A firewall needs to ask you about what traffic you allow and what traffic you don't allow... - I'm sure you got something wrong there mate...arke wrote:
...or a hardware firewall which is built into every router and many DSL modems and is much more reliable than any software firewall
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- Banned
- 1648 posts since 11 Sep, 2005
its really easy. I allow outgoing traffic, I don't allow ingoing traffic (unless I'm at school without my computer, then I have VNC turned on). Anything that runs on my computer runs for a purpose, and will have a purpose behind going on the net.jens wrote:how should that work? A firewall needs to ask you about what traffic you allow and what traffic you don't allow... - I'm sure you got something wrong there mate...arke wrote:
...or a hardware firewall which is built into every router and many DSL modems and is much more reliable than any software firewall
- KVRAF
- 25042 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
it ain't that easy mate - there's no proper hardware-firewall in dsl-routers and stuff like that... 
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- Banned
- 1648 posts since 11 Sep, 2005
dunno what sort of special needs you have then .. it blocks whats incoming, except the VNC port when I need it. Thats all I need it to do and thats all I could ever think it would need to do.jens wrote:it ain't that easy mate - there's no propwe hardware-firewall in dsl-routers and stuff...
- KVRAF
- 2784 posts since 18 Apr, 2001
Jens, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. The firewalls you talk about are designed to protect a consumer PC that is connected to the internet. The reason that the firewall is running on YOUR PC has little to do with 'asking what traffic to allow' and everything with the fact that it is just ONE computer. There is simply no other computer around (with most consumers that is) that can run a dedicated firewall. I have a dedicated computer running a (linux) firewall to protect my complete home network. It is one firewall that protect ALL machines in my network (being my DAW, my own laptop and the laptop of my wife). This is the normal setup for any company network as well. Do you really think that a network administrator is going to maintain all these personal firewalls (like zonealarm and the likes) on all the machines in the company. Surely not. He's maintaining one serious firewall running on one dedicated machine that connects the complete internal network to the internet.jens wrote:how should that work? A firewall needs to ask you about what traffic you allow and what traffic you don't allow... - I'm sure you got something wrong there mate...arke wrote:
...or a hardware firewall which is built into every router and many DSL modems and is much more reliable than any software firewall
CrimsonWarlock aka TechnoGremlin, Moved to Reason and Rack Extensions exclusively (from Reaper and VSTs) several years ago.
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- Pick Me Pick me!
- 10257 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from a state of confusion
If you dont want SE, I'll take it.. I have no problems hooking my daw to the net.. oh wait im using it right now 
besides I suspect you only need to be online for a matter of seconds to register.. so a basic software firewall like zonealarm should be more than sufficient..
besides I suspect you only need to be online for a matter of seconds to register.. so a basic software firewall like zonealarm should be more than sufficient..