KVR Audio

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:57 pm

Mutant wrote: Can you do better ?
Post your clip but do it my way (without any tweaking).

I think my clip while not the best in the world, shows you how a real amp reacts, it shows you its nasty aggresiveness and "balls" i don't know how to better describe it.

I wasn't trying to insult you. To me that clip actually sounds worse than a lot of the other clips that are being insulted. I think they all sound like crap to be honest. But I don't like that tone anyhow.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:00 pm

I also don't really know how to create that tone. I only have an old 50s strat to work with that never quite seems to get a beefy distortion. But, it does a damn fine SRV when played through a good twin.

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:26 am

Another dumb test of a chug sound. This isn't supposed to be musical as I just whacked around various palm muting articulations in Drop D without trying to impress anyone. I think it still sounds digital but has the right thump without being screechy on the more sustained parts. The gate/noise would probably get swallowed up nicely in a real mix with a band, imo. But it still annoys me. Your thoughts?

http://www.shanesanders.com/kvrtemp/dropD.mp3

gear: Ibanez ARC300 (a normal six string with stock PAFs) neck pick-up only; Green Machine II vst amp; Voxengo Marquis compression; a tiny touch of Voxengo's free reverb; EQ

btw, I can make my Vox Tonelab more or less just like this but less digital sounding. You guys ought to check that piece of gear out if you get a chance. It has a lot going for it, especially for spontaneous practice sessions where you don't want to use a computer.

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:44 am

Shane, what strings are you using on your Ibanez? Do you know what strings came on it originally? I have no idea which ones they are..

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:17 am

Sickle wrote:Shane, what strings are you using on your Ibanez? Do you know what strings came on it originally? I have no idea which ones they are..

This clip is with my IbanezARC300 (my only PAF equipped guitar) and not my baritone. I use DRI .10's on it and have been tempted to use 11's but haven't so far. I string my strat with DRI 10's, too.

The MMM that we both have comes with .074, .056, .040, .030, .017, .014 stock (I'm 99% sure anyway). Don't know what brand. I actually haven't changed strings on that one...I run 'em into the ground and kinda feel that a string that has truly stabilized is more fun than a bright new one that hasn't. Just a quirk of mine. At any rate, I never break strings for some reason. Light touch and I don't bend a lot either.

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:27 am

btw

http://www.ibanez.com/guitars/guitar.asp?model=ARC300

These are fine guitars and I've come to love this one more than my strat which I never thought was possible. Don't be fooled by the low price (list $533, cash around $399) on 'em as they only cut corners on the pickups. The bridge is SOOOOOOOOO comfortable for palm-muters and it has these awesome fine tuners on the tail. It feels kind of like a PRS. The only bad thing about it is that it is slightly neck heavy compared to a Les Paul but has the benefit of being lighter overall. Since I play mostly sitting on a drum throne, the neck-heaviness isn't much of an issue because my right elbow and thigh do all the balancing work.

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:11 am

I'll take one of these instead..

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:13 am

Shane Sanders wrote:I actually haven't changed strings on that one...I run 'em into the ground and kinda feel that a string that has truly stabilized is more fun than a bright new one that hasn't. Just a quirk of mine. At any rate, I never break strings for some reason. Light touch and I don't bend a lot either.

I haven't either, but when I do, I'm definately going to use 11's on it. Half round jazz strings if I can find any; I used to use DiAdario's but I don't haven't checked to see if they still make those or not.

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:49 am

Sickle wrote:I'll take one of these instead..

I haven't been able to see those Giger ones in person yet. I've looked but nobody keeps 'em in stock for some reason. I like the first one best since floating trems don't appeal to me much.

You'll like these:

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:09 pm

Like the most of us, I have been waiting, to hear some user made audio files.
After listening to all the posted examples,
I must say, I am not impressed at all.
its sounds very unpleasing and harsh to my ears.

Here is a MP3 demo, done a few months ago,
using my brand-new engine.

The 5150 simulation first,than the real amp.
http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/5150 ... p_Matt.mp3
and another one, the second part is taken from CD and has some room on it,
that the first part doesn't have.
http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/HighGain2R2.mp3
Thanks to Vervil and Killvehicle for playing the dry takes.

Please don't jump on me,
I know many of you have been waiting for the release of my amp,
for far too long.
But as those posted demos prove,
it WILL be worth to wait, even a little longer.

If it is hi-gain, that you are after,
please hold your breath, it will come.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:38 pm

Shane Sanders wrote:http://www.shanesanders.com/kvrtemp/dropD.mp3

Not bad at all for greenmachine! in fact, quite the decent chugga chugga.

I agree about vox tonelab. It can do this a bit better. It's my main guitar tool, and I'm pretty much not looking for a new amp sim. It's that good. I also swapped the tube to a better one. The stock tube is pretty damn sucky and noisy.

Usually swapping tubes in slap-on tube gear like this doesn't help, but apparently in Tonelab the tube IS NOT just a slap on fart machine. The valve reactor model actually works the tube, not making everything farty (the same thing applies to the valvetronix amps).

Plexi Head · Post by **Plexi Head** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:15 am

Midiworks wrote:Like the most of us, I have been waiting, to hear some user made audio files.
After listening to all the posted examples,
I must say, I am not impressed at all.
its sounds very unpleasing and harsh to my ears.

Here is a MP3 demo, done a few months ago,
using my brand-new engine.

The 5150 simulation first,than the real amp.
http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/5150 ... p_Matt.mp3
and another one, the second part is taken from CD and has some room on it,
that the first part doesn't have.
http://www.soundspectral.com/Demos/HighGain2R2.mp3
Thanks to Vervil and Killvehicle for playing the dry takes.

Please don't jump on me,
I know many of you have been waiting for the release of my amp,
for far too long.
But as those posted demos prove,
it WILL be worth to wait, even a little longer.

If it is hi-gain, that you are after,
please hold your breath, it will come.

Absolutely awash with delay, reverb and a whole bunch of other crap. Post a clip without
the gunk so we can hear the actual toneality of the sim.

Amplitude sounds unpleasing and harsh to your ears? Get some better monitors or go see the
ear doctor dude.

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:51 am

I'm still waiting for a proper high gain AT2 clip.

If you want to hear what can be done with Guitar Suite and Bass V-amp click here.

That clip is the best (modelled) high gain example that i've ever heard.

To Plexi Head:
If Fredrik's clip is 10/10 then IMNSHO your AT2 clip is 4/10.

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:45 am

I never done anything this heavy and I have no clue about how to do it.
This is just a 1 take test run so please ignor the loose guitar playing.
Please comment on the mix and sounds.
Am I in the right direction?
Any mixing tips are welcomed.

http://www.andras-shimon.com/TEMP/GT-2_BritDemo7.mp3

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:34 am

I reckon the lesson here is that science doesn't belong to anyone in particular. The expensive programs have some things to offer, and if all you've got is freeware it's quite possible to make something to be proud of, too, because sometimes one guy can think just as clearly as a team of people when it comes to programming and understanding DSP. I've been on a high these past two weeks because it's great to experiment with stuff and get some practicing in as well. I feel really fortunate just to have these resources, especially the free ones.

Almost all of us have more power at our disposal than a lot of bands in the past ever had. If our tone isn't perfect, then we can compensate by better orchestration, etc. I wish you all good luck in finding your path to the best with what you have.

Amplitube 2's Hi-Gain sounds..