KVR Audio

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:06 pm

btw, i am gulty of somewhat hijacking the thread, so please, in these specific test head over here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=130895
sorry again, lets continue there ...

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:08 pm

like I said, wish I could've tested the room algo, as it does just what you described there. I've had exact the same problem with reverbs. Instead of the "wash" somewhere behind, I like the ambience/reverb to be integrally part of the sound, to blend in seamlessly.

This is of course something CSR excels in (first native reverb to do it for me).

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:27 pm

interresting!
but kingston, lets move to the other thread, we're hijacking thisone ...

go here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=130895

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:19 pm

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Colonel Flashback · Post by **Colonel Flashback** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:22 pm

spill the beans, dammit!

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:30 pm

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diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:44 pm

Thanks for that ttoz - i've been waiting to hear from someone else who has tested dongled vs. non-dongled SX & perceived an undeniable difference (not that i've tested them myself, but I know a man who has).
The last time I mentioned this, mostly with regards to perfromance issues with usb midi keyboards & interfaces, I was fair shouted down.
Constant calls to the dongle will have an impact - it's obvious, dude on the steiny forums (whose post was removed if I remember correctly) used a usb port sniffer to examine the calls made - it was a very high number, god knows what that number would be with the host & a large number of other programs utilising the dongle/synchrosoft algorithms to unencrypt their code realtime.
Their is a likelihood that you will be told by the dongle-lords & their umpah-lumpah's that it is some kind of issue specific to your system & nothing to do with dongles at all.
So dongles do suck schweaty goat balls.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:49 pm

Kind of odd test results to be honest. Steinberg claims the dongle calls do not affect the audio performace in any way. They quite recently said the dongle gets called only when you change editors, use the transport or something of that sort, but that it shouldn't constantly eat into the DSP bandwidth.

Knowing steinberg they probably lie.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:51 pm

Thanks a lot, ttoz!
That should be some *very* interesting food for thought for the dudes at Steinberg.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:52 pm

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Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:57 pm

I don't doubt what you say. It's definitely food for thought, for steinberg as well as us.

Kind makes me wish I would've opted for a better host, when I switched from logic a few years back.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:43 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:Thanks a lot, ttoz!
That should be some *very* interesting food for thought for the dudes at Steinberg.

Dont want to be rude but i tested this thing a month ago. Wanna hear my results...

Exactly same mconfiguration with EXACTLY same project. Few z3tas, few Albinos, three Roomworks and few other FX.

Dongled version in playback from 68% to 74%
Hacked version in playback from 68% to 74%

So they are absolutely SAME SAME SAME

Maybe it's good to say that i build dell computers at job. So i know how to test two same configurations. (eg. clean install is mirrored with acronis trueimage then tested with installed original version, rolled back and tested with installed hacked version).

So for me H20 did not tell the truth

Or i am some hardware wizard

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:53 pm

Hm, ok. So what's up with ttoz' test then?

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:56 pm

I suspected ttoz's results a bit odd to be honest. THAT big of a difference has gotta be something else. thanks for this kmonkey.

Steinberg claims the dongle calls do not affect the audio performance in any way. They quite recently said the dongle gets called only when you change editors, use the transport or something of that sort, but that it shouldn't constantly eat into the DSP bandwidth.

could be they're telling the truth afterall. Maybe I'll do this test meself. It's just that I really wouldn't want to mess up my well working syncrosoft install and configuration.

Also, could be h20 is right in their claim as well, that their emulation has a reduced CPU footprint. What they're not telling is WHERE the CPU usage gets reduced. (see the above steinberg claim and make your own conclusions about that in light of these recent results) I personally think kmonkey got it right.

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