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AAR rules :D !!

Nah seriously, could you please post that beautiful patch you used, sir ?

I'm in love with that sound, and yes it does sound very close to that reverb Vangelis used in 'Soil Festivities' (or 'Rachel Song' in Bladerunner soundtrack), or at least in his early 80's albums.

Well, it might have something to do with the pace and mood of the tune you played too.

btw, great thread : )
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brok landers wrote:oops ... i was just 5 hours away???? what happened here????
did i drop a bomb or what???
ok, i thought it was clear (i was allways praising the aar, so i thought you know allready ;) ) ...

yes, it's the artsacoustic reverb ...

to me (we have a lot of hardware here that i had the chance to compare it to) this comes closest to
our hardware reverbs, in some cases the aar (IMO) is even better ...
i only posted the files here to really check out if someone with a different thinking/approach
could top my needs ...
so, here is the original wave for you guys to go in depth ...
please, don't take it as another "aar rules" thing, i am very curious if other vst reverbs (no convolution) can top that ...
lemme hear your files!!!
My apologies, Brok, if you were afk. I thought you were just being coy. Thanks for sharing this little exercise. Now post the dang preset!! :D
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brok landers wrote:yes, it's the artsacoustic reverb ...
Skill trumps gear again. Love it.

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Having used AAR a little bit, well first of all, it sounds quite different to CSR, and my personal preference is CSR. AAR is somehow more clinical and sterile, but that might be just the thing many people want. I just think CSR is smoother and more dense. In my mixes it seems to work better, blending in better. Your music might fit AAR better.

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friteuse wrote:Ok, so far from here, I did some testing with System 6000 Reverbs (VSS4/VSS3/Reverb3/Reverb2) and ProTools (D-Verb).

D-Verb comes closest, then VSS3, but still there's a big difference. Damn, wtf are you using, brok? :shock:

When I look on your equipment list, I see only the big lexis that I couldn't test. So, 224???

The CSR version above sounds good, indeed. But far less musical, in a way and imho.
hey, friteuse, lemme hear the hardware results!
can you post them here?
btw, i used the artsacoustic reverb ...
when i was on protools back in the days i allways loved the d-verb, allthough it was a bit of a one trick pony ... but for long, deeply modulated reverbs i allways used only d-verb ... nothing to do with a real room though ...
i think the artsacoustic reverb pretty much combined both musical and realistic approaches to a very professional degree ...
regards,
brok landers
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Kingston wrote:
sounddesigner wrote:I agree, it is'nt a fair competition until people know what their up against.It's unfair for him to not reveal what he is using.
Eh? How's it going to help you to know what reverb he is using? He laid out the task quite simple: give him reverb that does a better "roomy" sound.

That's ALL you need to know.
For one he may be using expensive hardware, now is that fair? and if he's using software we need to be able to verify.This is like me saying uad's are'nt that good then give you a file to compress with uad software plug while i use a real fairchild hardware, if you knew i had hardware you probably would'nt waiste your time.If you jump into any type of competition in life its foolish if you don't try to know what your up against, give that some thought.
I personally would'nt participate in this because i've been there and done it (7 long threads on cakewalk forum about csr)I'm threw trying to prove to someone something is good or bad, i give my opinion and thats it.
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Boulotaur2024 wrote: edit : I must be stupid but I didn't get sfz, Vsampler or any soft sampler to load mp3 files... And Audacity, at least the version I have installed, doesn't seem to support vst, how the hell did you guyz get by ?
I just switch the Winamp output to disk writer or whatever it's called. It makes a wave file for ya--you can set the options for output directory, etc.
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sounddesigner wrote:For one he may be using expensive hardware, now is that fair? and if he's using software we need to be able to verify.This is like me saying uad's are'nt that good then give you a file to compress with uad software plug while i use a real fairchild hardware
brok landers just eliminated placebo, that's all. I think the way he started this thread was great. "not fair". bullshit. If you knew what he used you most definitely would've fallen victim to placebo. (like it seems you already are)

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Heres my screen shot of the settings used ...


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http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen6gd.jpg

It goes from top left to bottom right in the signal flow.

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Mikem wrote: My apologies, reg, if you were afk. I thought you were just being coy. Thanks for sharing this little exercise. Now post the dang preset!! :D
hey, no problems at all ... i was just wondering ... ;)
at least a close one ...
here is the preset, at least a close one ...
i dialed and saved the song again and again, so i am not quite sure if its the one i bounced, allthough i'm pretty sure ...
btw, my name is brok, "reg" is the short one of "regards" ... :)
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regards,
brok landers
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Boulotaur2024 wrote:AAR rules :D !!

Nah seriously, could you please post that beautiful patch you used, sir ?

I'm in love with that sound, and yes it does sound very close to that reverb Vangelis used in 'Soil Festivities' ('might have something to do with the pace and mood of the tune you played too), or at least in his early 80's albums.

btw, great thread : )
see upper post ...
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man

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Thanks, brok. I don't think I've given AAR it's due. Thanks for the eye opener.
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living sounds wrote:brok, I'll put it through the 300. Can you tell me the settings you've used? I'm quite convinced it's the 224, I instantly recognized that lush, warm, heavenly sound from the old Vangelis records.
i am the biggest vangelis fan on the planet (allthough alexander is bullshit imo, i love the analog stuff of vangelis way more) ... :)
check upper posts, i posted the preset ...
and please, let me hear the l300 in action on my file, i also posted the .wav ...
up to now there were some nice files posted, but they did not convince me ... i still like the aar more ...
also, please, try your best with your non convolution vst reverbs ...
i'd really like to hear all different approaches ...
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man

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Kingston wrote:
sounddesigner wrote:For one he may be using expensive hardware, now is that fair? and if he's using software we need to be able to verify.This is like me saying uad's are'nt that good then give you a file to compress with uad software plug while i use a real fairchild hardware
brok landers just eliminated placebo, that's all. I think the way he started this thread was great. "not fair". bullshit. If you knew what he used you most definitely would've fallen victim to placebo. (like it seems you already are)
Your assuming i would've fallin victim to placeabo, if i had the knowledge of what he was using i would've had the same opinion as i have now, wich i also stated above (he's a good tweaker),But if my aim was to prove threw competition how good csr is then yes i still would want the info of what he's using, and i might want to add to the rules of the competition and use more then one type material for processing etc etc (usually based on strenghths and weaknesses of both verbs)
I'm sorry but i've done alot of competition and i only learned threw experience "IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR UP AGAINST FOR MANY REASONS". But this is nothing i wish to argue over, i'm secure in my belief just as you are with your. We can agree to disagree!
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pethu wrote:Well, I'm not much for these "my reverb is longer than your's" type of threads, but since I sorely needed to practice the art of creative tinkering with my reverb anyway:

http://www.pethu.se/music/ReverbTest.mp3


And oh yes -- this is definitely software... :lol:
what is it?
sounds nice, but a little droney ...
regards,
brok landers
BIGTONEsounddesign
gear is as good as the innovation behind it-the man

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