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Boulotaur2024 · Post by **Boulotaur2024** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:00 pm

cthmusic & brok landers, thank you very much for sharing your presets, I had never thought you could get such a warm and not-to-distant/muddy verb with AAR, yes it's a great eye-opener for me too (same for Masterverb, it's a whole matter of fine tuning I guess).

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:10 pm

brok landers wrote: i am the biggest vangelis fan on the planet (allthough alexander is bullshit imo, i love the analog stuff of vangelis way more) ...

Two questions:

1. When do we get to hear the music you're making with all your sound design expertise?
2. What Vangelis would you recommend if I like the Blade Runner stuff but the handful of other Vangelis tracks I've heard seemed too new age?

uvacom · Post by **uvacom** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:14 pm

Kingston wrote:brok landers just eliminated placebo, that's all. I think the way he started this thread was great. "not fair". bullshit. If you knew what he used you most definitely would've fallen victim to placebo. (like it seems you already are)

This wasn't a comparison test between two pre-existing recordings to decide which one we prefer, or to guess which reverb was used - the test was to match the reverb with CSR, the stated goal being to prove the quality of CSR. The test was not to see how well one can deduce or intuit reverb settings based on ear alone, the test wasn't to guess which reverb brok was using, so placebo doesn't relate to the argument at all. It's not a fair comparison if only one of the parties knows how the original was done.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see if anybody can come closer now that we can see how it was done.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:19 pm

kuniklo wrote:
brok landers wrote: i am the biggest vangelis fan on the planet (allthough alexander is bullshit imo, i love the analog stuff of vangelis way more) ...
Two questions:

1. When do we get to hear the music you're making with all your sound design expertise?
2. What Vangelis would you recommend if I like the Blade Runner stuff but the handful of other Vangelis tracks I've heard seemed too new age?

1. i am so deep into sounddesign the last years and making music doen't drop the money in germany, so, unfortunately i am pretty away from making music ... but that will change in the future ...

2. well, bladerunner is very outstanding stylewise, it's not typical for vangelis, but i'd say all the stuff he did before was also very good, up to "voices" i liked pretty much everything of him more or less ... well, i'm a fan ...

... all stuff he did using his stringmachines and his cs80 is great to me ...
but let's stay on topic ...

c_huelsbeck · Post by **c_huelsbeck** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:21 pm

I don't want to spoil the party, but I just played with some plugins at my disposal and came up with this:

http://www.huelsbeck.com/sounds/reverb_test1.mp3

Yes I know it's not exactly the same, but very close and I only spend a couple of minutes and it uses free / SX standard plugins...

I don't meant to trash the AAR, it's on my list of future purchases, but it seems to me all a bit relative...

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:21 pm

uvacom wrote:It's not a fair comparison if only one of the parties knows how the original was done.

*sigh* It was quite simple really. Match this "roomy" sound, make it better if you can. That's ALL you needed to know. Lack of skill if you don't know how to start with just that info.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:25 pm

uvacom wrote:
Kingston wrote:brok landers just eliminated placebo, that's all. I think the way he started this thread was great. "not fair". bullshit. If you knew what he used you most definitely would've fallen victim to placebo. (like it seems you already are)

This wasn't a comparison test between two pre-existing recordings to decide which one we prefer, or to guess which reverb was used - the test was to match the reverb with CSR, the stated goal being to prove the quality of CSR. The test was not to see how well one can deduce or intuit reverb settings based on ear alone, the test wasn't to guess which reverb brok was using, so placebo doesn't relate to the argument at all. It's not a fair comparison if only one of the parties knows how the original was done.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see if anybody can come closer now that we can see how it was done.

uvacom, i did not intend any comparsion just to say aar rules or something like that.
i just dialed in the most perfect (if that can be at all) reverb that suits my needs and asked if somneone could top it with the csr (or some other vst native non convolution reverb).
i am allways looking for new exiting stuff, and up to now nothing came closer to my needs than the aar .. but, as i am an open minded person i hoped that some user with a different approach/skill could maybe convince me to maybe buy the csr (i hate dongles, so there must be a very good reason to use dongled software) or any other vst reverb that i maybe missed to treat different (cause i tried them all, exept the csr) ...
there was no cometition, just curiosity ...

warren · Post by **warren** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:26 pm

c_huelsbeck wrote:I don't want to spoil the party...

Don't worry, you didn't. Your clip, while ok sounding, still isn't up to par with the original 'long reverb' clip.

EJo · Post by **EJo** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:27 pm

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ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:27 pm

i sort of agree here tho - the test is a little cumbersome

hints like reverb length - relative roll off of high frequencies - any use of eq would make it a lot easier to get into the right ballpark

uvacom · Post by **uvacom** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:27 pm

brok landers wrote:uvacom, i did not intend any comparsion just to say aar rules or something like that.
i just dialed in the most perfect (if that can be at all) reverb that suits my needs and asked if somneone could top it with the csr (or some other vst native non convolution reverb).
i am allways looking for new exiting stuff, and up to now nothing came closer to my needs than the aar .. but, as i am an open minded person i hoped that some user with a different approach/skill could maybe convince me to maybe buy the csr (i hate dongles, so there must be a very good reason to use dongled software) or any other vst reverb that i maybe missed to treat different (cause i tried them all, exept the csr) ...
there was no cometition, just curiosity ...

Whatever you want to call it, it's a poor way to satisfy your curiosity if you don't give people enough information to recreate the result.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:31 pm

c_huelsbeck wrote:I don't want to spoil the party, but I just played with some plugins at my disposal and came up with this:

http://www.huelsbeck.com/sounds/reverb_test1.mp3

Yes I know it's not exactly the same, but very close and I only spend a couple of minutes and it uses free / SX standard plugins...

I don't meant to trash the AAR, it's on my list of future purchases, but it seems to me all a bit relative...

what is it exactly?
its nice ...
but in comparsion to my files i find it a bit too muddy/washy, destroying the harmonic content of the audiofile, musically i mean ...
also i found it a bit poor in the high frequencies of the tail ...
this is the "open" thingy i meant in posts before ... i allways instinctively would like to raise the roomwidth slider in your reverb ... that exactly is what only the aar provided to me the way i wanted it instantly ... dunno bout the csr, though ...

bmanic, how about you?
got some files to share with us?

friteuse? any files?

curiosity kills me ...

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:34 pm

uvacom wrote:
brok landers wrote:uvacom, i did not intend any comparsion just to say aar rules or something like that.
i just dialed in the most perfect (if that can be at all) reverb that suits my needs and asked if somneone could top it with the csr (or some other vst native non convolution reverb).
i am allways looking for new exiting stuff, and up to now nothing came closer to my needs than the aar .. but, as i am an open minded person i hoped that some user with a different approach/skill could maybe convince me to maybe buy the csr (i hate dongles, so there must be a very good reason to use dongled software) or any other vst reverb that i maybe missed to treat different (cause i tried them all, exept the csr) ...
there was no cometition, just curiosity ...

Whatever you want to call it, it's a poor way to satisfy your curiosity if you don't give people enough information to recreate the result.

hey, come on, i was 4 hours away, then asap i posted that it was the artsacoustic reverb, posted the original wav and the preset ... what more do you want?
i explained that i thought it was clear that it is the aar, as i allways praised it very often here ...

uvacom · Post by **uvacom** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:34 pm

Kingston wrote:
uvacom wrote:It's not a fair comparison if only one of the parties knows how the original was done.
*sigh* It was quite simple really. Match this "roomy" sound, make it better if you can. That's ALL you needed to know. Lack of skill if you don't know how to start with just that info.

It was never about skill (except the skill of IK's coders), and that's my point. It was about CSR's ability to do that kind of reverb. If you want to see if CSR can do that, give people information as much as you can. In fact, contrary to what you state, a highly skilled engineer can do much more with the right information than somebody unskilled.

Mikem · Post by **Mikem** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:35 pm

brok,

For those without AAR, maybe you could post a screenshot of your settings, so those who own CSR can at least have a ballpark idea of what settings contribute to your sound. If you want CSR to compete, similar parameters would be a great place to start.

And I think that should have been done at the outset--it wouldn't have changed the spirit of your inquiry. It just would have cut right to the point without all the speculation, etc.

CSR - pants down