CSR - pants down

[Boulotaur2024]

I became obssesed with that tune, so I made a quick 'song' out of it, with just a few layer pads, very short :

http://s146380088.onlinehome.fr/Muzik/l ... b_tune.mp3

I know it sucks, but I have no time to polish it, gotta go to bed oO

@pethu : totally agree on this.

[spuddle]

I spent really way to long on this

http://www.spuddle.org.uk/misc/sounds/s ... reverb.mp3

[pethu]

Well, I'm not much for these "my reverb is longer than your's" type of threads, but since I sorely needed to practice the art of creative tinkering with my reverb anyway:

http://www.pethu.se/music/ReverbTest.mp3


And oh yes -- this is definitely software...

what is it?
sounds nice, but a little droney ...

When I got that close in a short time with only the 2nd algorithm I tried, I figured that it either a) had to be ArtsAcoustic, or b) you could dial in close to another reverb with an almost godlike speed in AAR even as a complete newbie!

Not that any of this says anything about which reverb is better than which (to which question the only valid answer is and always will be "it depends") but it gave me a good first in-depth lesson in the AAR interface... I've only been tweaking presets so far...


(edit: Actually, the attack should probably be at 0 for a closer match. Then again, that "attack" swell is one of the things I like most about AAR! As is the wobbly "echo" decay... )

[martian]

Here's what I did: I took the Roomworks that comes with SX and paired it with 2 free instances of Kjaerhus Chorus, one before the reverb and one after... plus tweaking of all the parameters of all the plugs...

i did the same except just used sx's chorus and only once, before roomworks.

i actually prefer roomworks (ambience) and some lexi impulses to AA and all other native verbs ive tried (not csr yet) in my own testing, although i prefer AA in this threads example.

but i certainly dont rate my own opinion yet when it comes to reverbs, since my hearing is such that im quite potentially v handicapped in this area.

[kmonkey]

Raaaaatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatataaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Did anyone get some sort of idea to buy both reverbs

I think i will do that Then i will sing "The world is miiineeeeeee"

....i think it is time for deep sleep (since i am doing bulls*** ont this thread...)

[Kingston]

I spent really way to long on this

http://www.spuddle.org.uk/misc/sounds/s ... reverb.mp3

That's the CSR room algorithm, isn't it?

[c_huelsbeck]

I wished the AAR would be capable of surround... that could be really neat and then I would buy it in a heartbeat... I wonder anyways why not more developers support surround...

[spuddle]

I spent really way to long on this

http://www.spuddle.org.uk/misc/sounds/s ... reverb.mp3

That's the CSR room algorithm, isn't it?

It be the RV7000 in Reason with the Hall algorithm, unfortunately is a bit finnicky, either too dull or too bright. Broks AAR example has this lushness in the body of the reverb that tames the original synth wave sound. The RV7000 can't seem to get that lushness without drowning the whole sound and then it's a bit useless.

I am impressed with the AAR, going to have to investigate further.

[Kingston]

Not bad at all that REV7000. Not the same as AAR but a good demonstration nevertheless and it sounded quite similar to CSR room, but maybe not quite as dense imaging. The high frequency response was especially close to CSR room on certain settings that I tried earlier today.

[cthmusic]

Alright, here's another shot of the long verb using a different reverb that hasn't been mentioned here yet.

http://204.202.2.238/mp3/ReverbLong3.mp3

[uvacom]

a highly skilled engineer can do much more with the right information than somebody unskilled.

1. There's the original file.

2. You can listen to it.

3. Now match it, or make it better.

How much more info can you possibly need?

It REALLY doesn't matter what reverbs or specific settings were used, if you know your plugs/hardware and how they perform.

The user should not be part of the equation at all if it's the reverb that's being judged. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the nature of the problem. It's not about what anybody here can do with CSR, it's what CSR can do. If anybody's skill matters, it's brok's since it's his reverb setting that's used as a control variable.

Hypothetical situation 1 - Say I have CSR, and I have no clue how to program it, I only have a very basic understanding of the operation. Daddy died and left me a trust fund so I've got money to blow, whatever. I want to contribute to the topic, and help brok to see how close CSR gets to his reverb (AAR in this case). I have no information on how to do so, but I try to record a demo anyway. I am unable to create anything close because my programming is poor. Anybody judging based on that would probably conclude that CSR is very poor at recreating the "control" reverb.

Hypothetical situation 2 - I have CSR, and I am an expert programmer - I listen to the demo, and I am immediately able to intuit the precise value of every parameter (unrealistic, but you seem to think it's QED so we'll go with that). I create a perfect recreation of brok's control. Anybody judging based on my recording would conclude that CSR is excellent at recreating the type of reverb brok has demonstrated.

You can see that without any background information, the user's skill becomes a very important factor, but it shouldn't be. CSR is what's being tested, not the programmer - the parameters matter to those who cannot intuit the precise settings (my personal opinion is that's pretty much everybody here including you, or for that matter me).

[AlienHand]

Very interesting topic.
There're some awesome sounds.

[spuddle]

Not bad at all that REV7000. Not the same as AAR but a good demonstration nevertheless and it sounded quite similar to CSR room, but maybe not quite as dense imaging. The high frequency response was especially close to CSR room on certain settings that I tried earlier today.

Propellerheads do have some talented code junkies on their team, the RV7000 makes anything sound very very pleasant, not to mention the CPU-usage is incredibly low.

I was trying not to avoid too much processing of the signal but I'm sure more lushness could be dealt via some subtle modulation effects and dynamics processing.

[brok landers]

I became obssesed with that tune, so I made a quick 'song' out of it, with just a few layer pads, very short :

http://s146380088.onlinehome.fr/Muzik/l ... b_tune.mp3

I know it sucks, but I have no time to polish it, gotta go to bed oO

@pethu : totally agree on this.

these strings ... sound like a vp330 strinensemble ... or an arp solina or such ... lovely ...

[brok landers]

Alright, here's another shot of the long verb using a different reverb that hasn't been mentioned here yet.

http://204.202.2.238/mp3/ReverbLong3.mp3

hey, that came closest up to now (imo)
way longer tail though (what, 15sec or so?) i used 7 sec or so ...
its a bit long, your tail ... it washes out the harmonic content of the file, musically i mean.
could you provide the same with 7 sec's?
also, the initial delay (pre delay or early reflections) are too obvious (all imo, plse notice).
but sounds nice and wide ...
lemme know what that reverb unit is ...