I had the exact same mediocre results with AAR with my drum mixing style as well. Guess what? CSR works a whole lot better. That would be my number one recommendation.polyslax wrote:Can anyone recommend a reverb for drums/percussion? I've demo'd AAR but haven't had results on drums that I like.
polyslax wrote:Can anyone recommend a reverb for drums/percussion? I've demo'd AAR but haven't had results on drums that I like.
Every once in a while I am, tooliving sounds wrote:I'm using my ears, of course,
Not always, but sometimes.living sounds wrote: but I don't need reverb tails that long.
Indeed.living sounds wrote:That's where Lexicon really shines IMO.
polyslax wrote:Can anyone recommend a reverb for drums/percussion? I've demo'd AAR but haven't had results on drums that I like.
Kingston wrote:Indeed.living sounds wrote:That's where Lexicon really shines IMO.
polyslax wrote:Can anyone recommend a reverb for drums/percussion? I've demo'd AAR but haven't had results on drums that I like.
I don't understand why IK doesn't make it more clear that CSR practically *is* Lexicon PCM90, with minor parametric differences and nearly identical sound. As in practically the same unit.
well I do think the bass clarity is important, even if it's suppressed from the mix up to a point. To my ears the difference wasn't big. It was audible, but both of them did the same famous "oil can" bouyant bass, the PCM being just a tiny bit better. PCM also had a touch more high end clarity.living sounds wrote:Well, minus the transparency and clarity in the bass from what I've heard so far. It's not that important however, since you EQ out the bass on the wet signal anyway most of the time. But why did they only model a PCM90? Even if a 480 takes ten times the CPU it would still be reasonable...
Kingston wrote:well I do think the bass clarity is important, even if it's suppressed from the mix up to a point. To my ears the difference wasn't big. It was audible, but both of them did the same famous "oil can" bouyant bass, the PCM being just a tiny bit better. PCM also had a touch more high end clarity.living sounds wrote:Well, minus the transparency and clarity in the bass from what I've heard so far. It's not that important however, since you EQ out the bass on the wet signal anyway most of the time. But why did they only model a PCM90? Even if a 480 takes ten times the CPU it would still be reasonable...
In practical terms they are identical, meaning one would have to be pretty damn hopelessly pedantic to even care.
IMO L480 isn't an awfully good sound. I prefer the PCM series to it. I always thought the L480 "ultragrain" wasn't as usable as the PCM "wash" in dense mixes.
This is where subjectivity enters the discussion again. The way I always describe the 'l480 dense' is "ultragrain", while PCM density manifests itself as "wash". They're not exactly comparable, being that different takes on reverb. I've the exact opposite to your preference: it's easier for me to blend in PCM-CSR than the L480 sound.living sounds wrote:But the 480l is so much denser! In fact, you can mix the wet signal several db quiter and still have the same spatial impression.
pm me, i'll host it for you ...keyman_sam wrote:I worked on my version of the long verb recreation and i got a pretty good result,imo, still far away from the original long reverb file.
Anyone care to host it for me please?I'd love to get comments on my reverb.
Ok, good to know. Thanks!Kingston wrote:I had the exact same mediocre results with AAR with my drum mixing style as well. Guess what? CSR works a whole lot better. That would be my number one recommendation.polyslax wrote:Can anyone recommend a reverb for drums/percussion? I've demo'd AAR but haven't had results on drums that I like.
(the inverse reverb on percussion and kick/snare... I mean holy shit! heavens gate)
try rightclick>save as ...angryman wrote:I like the preset
CcnKÐFPChAARbthe_long_oneœthe_long_one
but this is all i get when opening the link brok. Am i missing something
no, of course i don't have a problem with this at all ...LiteOn wrote:Hi,
wonderful thread - so level-headed.
Happily I now own both verbs (AAR, CSR). As I said earlier over in the SR/Esoundz forum, both ones are complementing almost perfectly. So, with both verbs at hand my reverb demands are truly satisfied (and I could sell the princeton, indeed).
One important thing this thread showed my is that apparently also the AAR is quite responsive to what is coming in. Actually, I noticed this behaviour in general first with the CSR. Basically, I was quite often trying hardly to recreate those huge, lush tarnce verb tails to 100% with the AAR but was getting only say 85%, when all I may had to do was just tweak the input material a bit more to match with the reverbs sonic fingerprint. Great lesson learned in here.
BTW, I always found (and still find) that the wideness/stereo spread of the AAR could be a bit better.
cheers,
LiteOn
PS: Brok, I've posted a message pointing to this thread over in the AAR forum. I hope you don't mind
I've heard such short snippets I'm not really qualified to make judgements about it. The first impression was that the short RFID ambience impulses were brilliant, but that the algorithm side was a bit so and so. Ask bmanic about this, as he has more experience with wizoo.polyslax wrote:Ok, good to know. Thanks!Kingston wrote:I had the exact same mediocre results with AAR with my drum mixing style as well. Guess what? CSR works a whole lot better. That would be my number one recommendation.polyslax wrote:Can anyone recommend a reverb for drums/percussion? I've demo'd AAR but haven't had results on drums that I like.
(the inverse reverb on percussion and kick/snare... I mean holy shit! heavens gate)
Any thoughts on Wizooverb W2 in this regard?
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