KVR Audio

vikernes · Post by **vikernes** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:54 am

Man I can't believe all I'm doing for this file. Instead of buying a decent reverb maybe I should buy a decent webhost

http://s54.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2039 ... MTMXYZQRY1

edit: I'd also like some pointers what could be improved/doesn't sound right here. After tweaking for so long I don't know what sounds good or bad.

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:03 am

the amplitube 2 ... ok ...
so thatone's better than the csr??? how that come???

Maybe the AT2 reverb has a certain sound someone likes (anything could... even a spring reverb... which I also like!). But, CSR is a reverb in a different class in terms of sound and features.

I can't think of another reverb in software like it really.

Muzik 4 Machines · Post by **Muzik 4 Machines** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:08 am

vikernes wrote:Man I can't believe all I'm doing for this file. Instead of buying a decent reverb maybe I should buy a decent webhost

http://s54.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2039 ... MTMXYZQRY1

edit: I'd also like some pointers what could be improved/doesn't sound right here. After tweaking for so long I don't know what sounds good or bad.

why_not_use
http://www.filelodge.com
?

vikernes · Post by **vikernes** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:12 am

M4M wrote:
vikernes wrote:Man I can't believe all I'm doing for this file. Instead of buying a decent reverb maybe I should buy a decent webhost

http://s54.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2039 ... MTMXYZQRY1

edit: I'd also like some pointers what could be improved/doesn't sound right here. After tweaking for so long I don't know what sounds good or bad.
why_not_use
http://www.filelodge.com
?

Actually, I'm already registered there. I wanted to upload there but couldn't remember the link for the life of me. And with the amounts of favorites I have, the search would have been useless. Thanks for bringing thi site up, now let's see if I can remember the name for future use

Muzik 4 Machines · Post by **Muzik 4 Machines** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:32 am

i'd_put_it_in_my_sig
but_since_i'm_not_Affiliated_with_them_and_,you_kow,_on_the_internet_you_pay_for_advertising

lol
http://www.filelodge.com

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:45 am

vikernes wrote:Man I can't believe all I'm doing for this file. Instead of buying a decent reverb maybe I should buy a decent webhost

http://s54.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2039 ... MTMXYZQRY1

edit: I'd also like some pointers what could be improved/doesn't sound right here. After tweaking for so long I don't know what sounds good or bad.

works!!

sounds not too bad, a bit static?
what is it?
the response is good, it just should be a bit more dense, and if you could get rid of the static ... somehow .. imo, that being said of course ...

jackson · Post by **jackson** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:10 am

So after checking out this thread at work earlier today, I was looking forward to the samples posted. It really is very interesting to see what everyone came up with.

One thing really struck me though; every tail would have sounded immensely better if the discordant click from the original sample hadn't also been reverberated. You guys can hear the tone reverberating in the higher frequencies which is out of tune to the main chord, right?

Listening to the original and all the takes certainly made me realise it's just as much about what goes into to it as much as what a 'verb can spit out. It's also interesting to hear Chris Huelsbeck's examples. While they didn't have the expansiveness of others, it did demonstrate that alot of the supposed magic in certain reverb units is actually subtle use of other effects such as eq and chorus built in to their algo's.

jah1234 · Post by **jah1234** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:07 am

c_huelsbeck wrote:
jah1234 wrote:This thread is really geeky, in a nice way!

Haven't used AAR that much, but it sounds very nice. Here's brok's sample through one of my favourite reverbs, tweaked by me (trying to resemble the long reverb): http://www.hornquist.se/jah-long_reverb.mp3
This one sounds pretty good too... what is it?

I used the internal reverb in Ableton Live. It's all right. However, I think the original AAR version is much warmer and more pleasing to my ears.

jah1234 · Post by **jah1234** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:11 am

bmanic wrote:Finally we have 3 variations on the Inverse reverb algorithm,
Short, Medium and Long.

Wow, I really like these examples!

Is there any other software reverb with a similar inverse algorithm?

As good as CSR sounds, I will never ever buy a software instrument/effect with a dongle.

c_huelsbeck · Post by **c_huelsbeck** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:20 am

jah1234 wrote:
c_huelsbeck wrote:
jah1234 wrote:This thread is really geeky, in a nice way!

Haven't used AAR that much, but it sounds very nice. Here's brok's sample through one of my favourite reverbs, tweaked by me (trying to resemble the long reverb): http://www.hornquist.se/jah-long_reverb.mp3
This one sounds pretty good too... what is it?
I used the internal reverb in Ableton Live. It's all right. However, I think the original AAR version is much warmer and more pleasing to my ears.

Thanks for the info... I wonder how that one would compare with a chorus before or after the reverb...

jah1234 · Post by **jah1234** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:29 am

c_huelsbeck wrote:
jah1234 wrote: I used the internal reverb in Ableton Live. It's all right. However, I think the original AAR version is much warmer and more pleasing to my ears.
Thanks for the info... I wonder how that one would compare with a chorus before or after the reverb...

The Ableton Live reverb has an inbuilt chorus which I used in my example to try and make the tail warmer. But it is still not as good as the ArtsAcoustics... which indeed seems like a fine reverb. I think I'll give the demo of AAR a go..

living sounds · Post by **living sounds** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:37 am

brok, the Lexicon 224 sounds even better to my ears. There's more of that magic fluffyness... However, the wet signal is louder, and louder is better psychoacoustically ...

Can you tell me the exact settings you used? I'd really like to put them into the 300 and hear what comes out!

brok landers wrote:ahh, ok, thanks for the info ...
however, i dialed up another reverb on that same sequence, now on the lexicon 224 ...
not sure which one is better though (don't have the cleanest ear anymore as i had a hard day...)
please have a listen ...
long reverb 02

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:42 am

spuddle wrote:
brok landers wrote:ahh, ok, thanks for the info ...
however, i dialed up another reverb on that same sequence, now on the lexicon 224 ...
not sure which one is better though (don't have the cleanest ear anymore as i had a hard day...)
please have a listen ...
long reverb 02
That was a yummy take, even the AAR seems a little harsher compared to this 224, the 224 seemed to smoothen out the instrument and the tail was more fuller as well. The sound was more constant?

It's all subjective really. I would be more then happy with either.

yep, i still do think the reverb02 does sound a little more open and rounder than the original file ... you think the aar sounds a bit harsher?

Sw-Michael · Post by **Sw-Michael** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:47 am

jah1234 wrote:
I used the internal reverb in Ableton Live. It's all right. However, I think the original AAR version is much warmer and more pleasing to my ears.

That was pretty impressive. Do you think you can share the preset?

el-folie · Post by **el-folie** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:45 am

What a phantastic thread - I had to read all the pages and listen to all examples. And as others claimed I also learned a lot from Brok's example of how to match a certain tune with a corresponding reverb setting as in his long reverb example - which I still think sounds unbelievably lexilike in our modern native domain. Thanks for this thread - awesome!!!

@Brok:

I must admit until you didn't have posted the 224 example I was hardly able to believe it really was the AAR in the first example of the long reverb. It's not that I'm a mistrusting pal in any way but imho it just sounded too good for a native software reverb - bad enough one still had to think that for the last years. But now the 224 example opened my ears and eyes again, though they were closed when I listened to the 224. I'm also a big fan of Vangelis, the creator of these kinds of soundscapes, a real genius of his own kind. Now Brok, would you be a nice guy and would like to try to dial in this new angelic flavour of the 224 on AAR? I listened exactly to your examples and there are more highs, longer chord decay, and more airy roomyness in the 224 example - at least I think the more highs and different decay should be able to gain from AAR? But what do you think - would you like to try when time permits?

Apart from that I must say that for myself a long oddyssey of searching the right native reverb with *that* lex flavour has come to an end - it really is the AAR - well done! The CSR examples didn't convince me so far and I won't buy a syncrosoft dongle just to demo that thing, but if anybody comes up with a similar example of the famous *wow* factor I might have two different choices. I'm totally fond of those Vangelis long lush rich roomy reverb sounds, am I an 80ies child...obviously!

CSR - pants down