More Comments split from the "Truth" thread

[djsubject]

yes, but it doesnt mean you have to use the main window. you can do all routing in sequencer and main mixer

jorgen

[rokkon]

If i combine everything I read about XT2, I understand midi processing plugin networks are not possible any longer? Just serial chains?

[WoJ]

On a side note, can we use XT2 inside XT1 ? (or the other way round?)

WoJ

[SleepyP]

MIDI Processing Networks? what's that look like/mean?

[Maniah]

On a side note, can we use XT2 inside XT1 ? (or the other way round?)

WoJ

I think this was already discussed but i don't recall the details. I believe you can definitely use XT1 within XT2. Not sure about the other way around but i don't see why not since it's a VST.

[acid1]

need to finish up this xt1 track so i can start using xt2 when it comes out :O

[jens]

On a side note, can we use XT2 inside XT1 ? (or the other way round?)

WoJ

er - why wouldn't you?


energyXT is available as vst and energyXT is able to load vst, remember?

[AD80]

er - why wouldn't you?


energyXT is available as vst and energyXT is able to load vst, remember?

But what about XT2? Will it still be able to load VST's? I heard it'll only load buzz machines and RTAS.

[Seus Hawkins]

I highly doubt he'll scrap VST support.

I assume all ext one projects can be opened in EXT2 without problems.

Regards

[jens]

I highly doubt he'll scrap VST support.

and how could it be doubted?

[AD80]

I highly doubt he'll scrap VST support.

and how could it be doubted?

Just a (bad) joke!

[jorgen]

If i combine everything I read about XT2, I understand midi processing plugin networks are not possible any longer? Just serial chains?

no, you can route midi effects any way you like. modular in the main window, or as in-place insert effects on midi tracks in the sequencer.

jorgen

[soma]

The main window doesnt have inserts, and it doesnt make sense either. The main window is modular, it has comps only, and you can chain them anyway you like.

Inserts, sends and group channels is an addition to the modular environment as an option to work without the "cables" or you can do both.

The combination kicks ass

jorgen

Jorgen I see where you are going, I do see the benefits of obscuring cables at times. However, I was imagining that if I add an insert to a synth, that XT would add the effect as a component just after the synth in the main window. I thought that the two views would be different reflections of the same signal paths. If in fact I can't see this insert(/send) effect in the main window, I would be a bit confused as to where that effect's sound is coming from when I hide the mixer and look only at the main window. (As I intend to do 50% of the time.) To me this implementation sees to be the same as when I add an insert to a component int he main window now.- It is locked to that effect and I cannot all of the sudden decide that I want to send many components to that effect with different levels. I guess to do this in XT 2 I would go to the mixer and move it to a send section.
On the same hand, I also thought that if I add an effect directly after a synth in the main window, that it should appear as an insert in the mixer

In my opinion, hiding one from the other is not any better than we have now.

I thought making the main window and the mixer reflect eachother sounded almost impossible to do, especially without giving each line it's own level (just think about all the cables for wet/dry). That is why I was so excited.

You seem to know what you are doing so far, but my dream of -being able to freely move around the main the window effects that I have added in a mixer- is a bit dashed. I guess I will just have to wait and see. Perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised.

[jorgen]

I dont see how a mixer in any way can visually represent modular routing, except if you limit your routing in the main window so that it will "fit" into a typical mixer signal diagram. So thats what the main window is for, routing complex networks of audio and midi.

Sound like you think the audio cables cant have volume just because there is a mixer with inserts and sends?

Main window: comps with cables (with volume)
Mixer: audio channels with inserts and sends

You can do both.

jorgen

[paulmerchant]

The new routing in XT2 -- the way I undestand it right now, anyway -- is perfect.

Until XT2, I have always used instances of XT as VSTi's inside of a sequencer of a host instance of XT. This has given me the ability to combine modular routing and the power of the sequencer (PDC, Freeze, etc.), even though I think this has always been monkey rigging to get the workflow I want and it always takes extra time to set it up.

In XT2, I won't have to monkey rig things at all to use the moduler routing and the sequencer. I can do everything with one instance of XT2 (if I want).

Here's one thing I love about the way Jorgen thinks. Everyone is always throwing FR's at him and somehow he continues to implement many of them while actually making the software more simple and easy to use as he moves forward.