If you do such experiments make sure the dlls are properly renamed or you have XT1 loading XT2 stuff and vice versa, where XT1 most likely won't load the XT2 preset/setup.WoJ wrote:On a side note, can we use XT2 inside XT1? (or the other way round?)
WoJ
I think I'm with you on this. It'd be really nice to be able to play around in the sequencer, adding synths and inserts and sends and so on, and then at a later date add some random modular stuff in between them so that (for instance) synth A feeds into the chain of inserts that I've already got going for synth B, or one of the inserts halfway down synth A's chain then feeds into to synth B's chain as well as the rest of its own... will this sort of thing still be possible? That was what I was most looking forward to about XT2.soma wrote:Jorgen I see where you are going, I do see the benefits of obscuring cables at times. However, I was imagining that if I add an insert to a synth, that XT would add the effect as a component just after the synth in the main window. I thought that the two views would be different reflections of the same signal paths. If in fact I can't see this insert(/send) effect in the main window, I would be a bit confused as to where that effect's sound is coming from when I hide the mixer and look only at the main window. (As I intend to do 50% of the time.) To me this implementation sees to be the same as when I add an insert to a component int he main window now.- It is locked to that effect and I cannot all of the sudden decide that I want to send many components to that effect with different levels. I guess to do this in XT 2 I would go to the mixer and move it to a send section.jorgen wrote:The main window doesnt have inserts, and it doesnt make sense either. The main window is modular, it has comps only, and you can chain them anyway you like.
Inserts, sends and group channels is an addition to the modular environment as an option to work without the "cables" or you can do both.
The combination kicks ass
jorgen
On the same hand, I also thought that if I add an effect directly after a synth in the main window, that it should appear as an insert in the mixer
In my opinion, hiding one from the other is not any better than we have now.
I thought making the main window and the mixer reflect eachother sounded almost impossible to do, especially without giving each line it's own level (just think about all the cables for wet/dry). That is why I was so excited.
You seem to know what you are doing so far, but my dream of -being able to freely move around the main the window effects that I have added in a mixer- is a bit dashed. I guess I will just have to wait and see. Perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised.
This is exactly the type of thing that I hope to do.It'd be really nice to be able to play around in the sequencer, adding synths and inserts and sends and so on, and then at a later date add some random modular stuff in between them so that (for instance) synth A feeds into the chain of inserts that I've already got going for synth B, or one of the inserts halfway down synth A's chain then feeds into to synth B's chain as well as the rest of its own...
Show me a modualr setup and I can show you how it would look in a mixer (may not be pretty). I think I could even provide the logic for telling you how to ALWAYS break a modular web into a mixer layout.brok landers wrote:but guys/soma, until i dont miss something here:
its just like jorgen says, not really possible to reflect both, the mixer on the mainwindow and vice versa ...
i.e. you can have multiple output connections from one synth-out to many destinations in the mainwindow ...
how would you display that in the mixerwindow? the mixer is _not_ modular, following a traditionla, yet flexible approach ... the main window _is_ modular. these two different ways of connecting sources to destinations can only be used in combination to each other, complimenting both uses when needed ... thats how i understand it.
it just leaves open which way you want to use xt2, either modular or as a traditional sequencer.
thats the first innovation,
the second is, that you can easily combine both ways of working, if and when you need it.
if i understood jorgen right that is ...
That would be either 1 insert and multiple sends or just multiple sends and 0 dry.you can have multiple output connections from one synth-out to many destinations in the mainwindow ...
didnt you read my post? cables has volume in the main window.About volume of lines in the main window, what I meant there was if I draw line from component A output 1 to effect X and draw a second line from component A output 1 to effect Y, I would like to be able to give each line a separate volume without a mixer. I hope that is clear enough to understand what I meant. So in the main window, I can make a component get a strong reverb and a quiet delay for instance, and maybe a medium dry.
Ideally I'd want to adjust these levels in the mixer and the main window. And in the main window I'd like to be able to adjust these levels with pop-up faders on the lines.
i know one could do that with sends, but thats a entire different story, as the sends could be pre fader, could have their own inserts, etc ... that just would clutter up the whole approach to give a great overview, therefore i can understand why jorgen doesn't want to do it this way. nevertheless, i strongly doubt that you can display and audible make any deeply complex modular conection routing in the mixer clutterfree ...soma wrote:For instance in your example,That would be either 1 insert and multiple sends or just multiple sends and 0 dry.you can have multiple output connections from one synth-out to many destinations in the mainwindow ...
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